Anything More Important Than the HMH Debate? - Page 2

*AQuietPlace* · #11 03-29-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

That it's been that way for many in recent decades, does not make it any less harmful or without the need for reform.

True.

Hoovie · #12 03-29-2010, 08:51 PM

Actually CC1, A healthy skepticism of "charismatics" is one very good thing the UPC has given me. Just not on the basis of salvation. Aside from questioning whether Charismatics are "saved" I have many questions for what has defined the Charismatic movement.

Neck · #13 03-29-2010, 09:49 PM

Let's start the 'CYH' movement within Oneness Pentecostal movements.

As in 'Cut your hair' cause it does not make a difference in the will of God, the power of God, the Glory of God, the Baptism of God, the Anointing of God, the Favor of God, the Blessing of God, the Principal of God, the Grace of God, the Mercy of God nor the Heart of God. It does not increase the power behind a woman's faith, it does not increase the power of the Blood of the Cross, it does not move Angels, it does not cause demons to flee, it has never healed anyone. It simply is a glory to her, in terms of how we would say it in plain English today... good for her!

Hoovie · #14 03-29-2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

Let's start the 'CYH' movement within Oneness Pentecostal movements.

As in 'Cut your hair' cause it does not make a difference in the will of God, the power of God, the Glory of God, the Baptism of God, the Anointing of God, the Favor of God, the Blessing of God, the Principal of God, the Grace of God, the Mercy of God nor the Heart of God. It does not increase the power behind a woman's faith, it does not increase the power of the Blood of the Cross, it does not move Angels, it does not cause demons to flee, it has never healed anyone. It simply is a glory to her, in terms of how we would say it in plain English today... good for her!

I think that would simply be a pendulum swing. While I don't see the "magic" I do believe uncut hair qualifies as "long" and it's an acceptable way to view the passage.

Elizabeth · #15 03-29-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

I agree with you Hoovie.

For some, however, I think the whole woman's hair thing has become one of the key points in defining the radical sectarianism. People have been aggressively pushing this sectarian agenda ever since the merger and the sectarian extremists have had the upper hand.

I was thinking this myself.

Neck · #16 03-29-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

I think that would simply be a pendulum swing. While I don't see the "magic" I do believe uncut hair qualifies as "long" and it's an acceptable way to view the passage.

Once the hair is cut it can therefore never there after be long. Does God grant repentance from cut to then become uncut once again to restore long? Just cut it and repent and it would then be long again in between cuttings! The uncut being long is a outmoded precept inline with the Affirmation statement that most ignore after they sign it.

CC1 · #17 03-30-2010, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Actually CC1, A healthy skepticism of "charismatics" is one very good thing the UPC has given me. Just not on the basis of salvation. Aside from questioning whether Charismatics are "saved" I have many questions for what has defined the Charismatic movement.

Hmm....lets see. Most of the big televangelist scandlals were actually by
AOG ministers (Jimmy Swagart & Jim Bakker) so the Charismatics escape that particular definement. Not to say they have not had their share though with the likes of Bishop Earl Paulk who not only was a womanizer but fathered a child by his brothers wife no less.

The Charismatics have also left themselves plenty of room for criticism in what defines them by the excesses of the so called "prosperity" preachers who turned the gospel into a get rich quick scheme and then the wacko's going around preaching about "holy laughter" and other such non biblical things.

Just like most things in life you have to wade through the chaff to find the gold. There are plenty of balanced charismatic churches who do present the gospel accurately and work to disciple people for Christ.

Hoovie · #18 03-30-2010, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

Hmm....lets see. Most of the big televangelist scandlals were actually by
AOG ministers (Jimmy Swagart & Jim Bakker) so the Charismatics escape that particular definement. Not to say they have not had their share though with the likes of Bishop Earl Paulk who not only was a womanizer but fathered a child by his brothers wife no less.

The Charismatics have also left themselves plenty of room for criticism in what defines them by the excesses of the so called "prosperity" preachers who turned the gospel into a get rich quick scheme and then the wacko's going around preaching about "holy laughter" and other such non biblical things.

Just like most things in life you have to wade through the chaff to find the gold. There are plenty of balanced charismatic churches who do present the gospel accurately and work to disciple people for Christ.

Yeah, just saying I am skeptical of most all who "made a name" for themselves...

Hinn, Tilton, Copeland, Terello, Crouch, White, Hickey et all.

PS when was the last time you rebuked the sickness devil, spoke to your wallet and declared yourself healthy and wealthy? Perhaps you need if good ole fashioned OBE.

Hoovie · #19 03-30-2010, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

I agree with you Hoovie.

For some, however, I think the whole woman's hair thing has become one of the key points in defining the radical sectarianism. People have been aggressively pushing this sectarian agenda ever since the merger and the sectarian extremists have had the upper hand.

I see that too I guess. HMH is simply one of the current tools...

The greatest and most devastating tool though is the one that says we have the special revelation and correct doctrine, and unless you come to Christ our way you have false experience.

Once we acknowledge Christ is in our fellow Christians, not because of, but in spite of our differences, then a lot of other stuff becomes less pivotal as well.

Praxeas · #20 03-30-2010, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Yeah, just saying I am skeptical of most all who "made a name" for themselves...

Hinn, Tilton, Copeland, Terello, Crouch, White, Hickey et all.

PS when was the last time you rebuked the sickness devil, spoke to your wallet and declared yourself healthy and wealthy? Perhaps you need if good ole fashioned OBE.

They all started off Pentecostal, at least in name. Crouch was or is AOG