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Old 03-28-2010, 04:53 PM
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They were building a "Tower to the heavens" - a feat quite impossible to accomplish given our understanding of the earth's atmosphere and the depths of space. There is no description of any sort of "worship" or anything else.

Put your Chick comic books aside for a moment and look at what the Bible does have to say for us.

The only sources for your "expanded" understanding of Genesis 11 are obscure references and speculations in the Talmud. I'd go there with you, but you've already trashed the Talmud along with the Jewish banking system yesterday.

Where does the Bible say Nimrod was involved in any kind of religion at all, let alone worship of Satan? Where does the Bible ascribe the scheme to build the tower to any source other than human desire? (See Genesis 11:6, again).
Do the research and you'll see, there is historical evidence also, read the links for more details.

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-Mystery-Babylon.htm

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-Babylon-Meares.htm
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Old 03-28-2010, 05:07 PM
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Why not, "Read the Bible for more information?"

Because the Bible isn't "good enough?" Because the Bible is "just a bunch of myths" unless we have burdened it Raggio's eisegesis?
Bro. Raggio uses the Bible, if someone has already written a detailed scriptural article it is common sense to benefit from the research they did.

(Oh, that's right, you think Bible accounts of stuff like Noah's ark and end time prophecy is a myth :-)

no offense bro, but trying to discuss this stuff with y'all would be like trying to convince the pope that mary does not answer prayers :-)

LOL, no offense, but I wonder if y'all really believe like you do or are just having fun, anyhow I don't take it personal if people scoff, that is their right to disagree :-)
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They were building a "Tower to the heavens" - a feat quite impossible to accomplish given our understanding of the earth's atmosphere and the depths of space. There is no description of any sort of "worship" or anything else.

Put your Chick comic books aside for a moment and look at what the Bible does have to say for us.

The only sources for your "expanded" understanding of Genesis 11 are obscure references and speculations in the Talmud. I'd go there with you, but you've already trashed the Talmud along with the Jewish banking system yesterday.

Where does the Bible say Nimrod was involved in any kind of religion at all, let alone worship of Satan? Where does the Bible ascribe the scheme to build the tower to any source other than human desire? (See Genesis 11:6, again).
I wonder if some would object if construction ever gotten underway on the space elevator as described in Arthur C Clark's "Fountains of Paradise"?
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I wonder if some would object if construction ever gotten underway on the space elevator as described in Arthur C Clarke's "Fountains of Paradise"?
He had a similar contraption in "Songs of Distant Earth."

Given that we've already "climbed Jacob's ladder" and have been poking around for some time now, I really don't think most fundamentalists would see the incongruity in accepting and allowing these endeavors and their own "Satanic visions" that they paste onto the Tower of Babel story.

To be a consistent fundamentalist you necessarily have to be inconsistent in so many other areas that it just becomes part of the garb.

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Pel are you saying you don't believe satan influenced Eve in the garden?
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Pel are you saying you don't believe satan influenced Eve in the garden?
Let me do a Google search to see if I said that... Nope!

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Just since we've managed to get so far off the original "End of the World" scenario of the commies sinking a South Korean ship, let's pursue the end times further:

Today, Federal agents raided a group called the "Hutaree" in three states. This "militia" (that's what they appear to call themselves - www.hutaree.com) are headquartered in Adrian, MI. I had not heard of this group before. Check out their website. They believe in much of the same "conspiracy theories" that have been thrown around here.

(On a side note - does anyone remember the name of the Oneness guy who broadcast via a pirate radio station from Michigan? I think he was former UPC, but I'm not certain. He used to be a mainstay of the "we're all gonna die unless we hide out in a bunker" crowd. I thought that he was in Adrian, MI as well).

Anyhoo... given that the devil has been so obviously working to bring us all down - at least since the Tower of Babel, and now Esther wants me to believe that he was somehow involved in the Garden of Eden as well... well, shouldn't we be doing something about this malevolent force?

This thought first occurred to me in early 1980, after years of Dispensational study of the Scripture and a rather zealous investigation into the writings of everyone from William Guy Carr ("The Synagogue of Satan"), Charles Chiniquy ("50 Years in the Church of Rome"), Hal Lindsey ("The Late Great Planet Earth") and even a box full of old Haldeman-Julius Monthly magazines from the 1920's that I had carefully preserved after finding them in the attic of an old house my father was remodeling.

I remember clearly, I was a teenager still at the time, and had just finished up with a season of prayer in the altar, when I was trying to make sense of all of the end-time stuff in careful thought while sitting in a pew. It occurred to me then, shouldn't we as Christians be doing something to prevent the "Antichrist" and the "spirit of the Antichrist" from having such complete control of our world? (Jimmy Carter was still the President, so you can see how I would be asking questions about these things).

Then the thought came to me, we ought to be like the "survivalists" that we read about in the gun magazines! We need to fight!

But... fight who? Jimmy Carter? Nah, he's just a goof. The only folks it seemed to make sense to be fighting at that moment was the Iranians, but even the Marines and the U.S. Army didn't seem up to that task (at the time).

So the thought was put on hold... in fact I didn't really even think about it again until just after April 19, 1995, when I heard Timothy McVeigh's justification for bombing the Murrah Building. I felt a stabbing pain go through my heart. That nimrod was actually using the same thoughts that had crossed my own mind so many years before - and he was using them to justify the murder of innocents!

So, my question is this: Just how seriously do you take this stuff? If you really mean it then you should be arming and doing battle with this "Beast" that your "evidence" has so "clearly identified." Luke 25:35-37.

Instead, this whole discussion strikes me as just so many people caught up in an exciting fiction - until some nut in the group goes out and blows up a day care center.

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We don't use physical violence because are fighting a spiritual warfare.

Ephesians 6:11-13
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


The Bible tells us what to watch for so the end times will not take us by surprise.

1 Thessalonians 5:3,4
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Matthew 16:3
...can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Matthew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?




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My original confidence in you continues unhindered, BroGary!
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My original confidence in you continues unhindered, BroGary!
Why thanks bro ! (I think :-)
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