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Old 02-05-2010, 06:34 PM
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What is our Role in Salvation?

What's our role in salvation?

Are we the saved, or the savior?

Yes, it's a rhetorical question.

I believe a huge problem in all strains of Christianity that flow from the Wesleyan Holiness movement is a skewed view of our role in the salvation process. There seems to be an idea that we somehow "help" God do the work.

This is particularly evident in the Oneness Pentecostal notion that it's "better to be safe than sorry." I see this as nothing more than unbelief and legalism. God's word is plain. It's clear. No one should threaten believers with Hell over standards that are not clearly based in scripture.

"Better to be safe than sorry" is an insult to God. It creates an atmosphere of fear and confusion that leads to unnecessary yokes. It fosters a works-based, humanistic view of salvation. It replaces the grace of Jesus with doctrines of men.

Obey the Word. That's the only safe way to live, and you'll be sorry if you don't do it.
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Old 02-05-2010, 06:39 PM
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Re: What is our Role in Salvation?

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Old 02-05-2010, 06:53 PM
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Re: What is our Role in Salvation?

I am deeply grateful for the mercy and grace of our Lord...The Bible says HE bought the church with His own blood...I just want to walk worthly of the great price He paid for my salvation.
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Re: What is our Role in Salvation?

Any notion that we can somehow secure the work of the cross through good works is a blockade to the very GIFT we claim.
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Re: What is our Role in Salvation?

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Old 02-05-2010, 07:47 PM
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Re: What is our Role in Salvation?

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What's our role in salvation?

Are we the saved, or the savior?

Yes, it's a rhetorical question.

I believe a huge problem in all strains of Christianity that flow from the Wesleyan Holiness movement is a skewed view of our role in the salvation process. There seems to be an idea that we somehow "help" God do the work.

This is particularly evident in the Oneness Pentecostal notion that it's "better to be safe than sorry." I see this as nothing more than unbelief and legalism. God's word is plain. It's clear. No one should threaten believers with Hell over standards that are not clearly based in scripture.

"Better to be safe than sorry" is an insult to God. It creates an atmosphere of fear and confusion that leads to unnecessary yokes. It fosters a works-based, humanistic view of salvation. It replaces the grace of Jesus with doctrines of men.

Obey the Word. That's the only safe way to live, and you'll be sorry if you don't do it.
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Re: What is our Role in Salvation?

Our role in salvation?

We are the recipients.

Our role in conversion/discipleship. That's our part after salvation.
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Jesus saves.
Saves whom?
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:37 PM
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Re: What is our Role in Salvation?

Salvation is a gift to receive
not
a goal to achieve.

When David Maines (not sure of spelling) was a young man preaching in Illinois, an old Mennonite farmer told him, "Son, there are just 2 religions in this world -- doing and done."
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Re: What is our Role in Salvation?

And yet consider this.

25: And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
26: If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27: And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26

Yes we DO have a part.
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