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Old 11-11-2009, 10:36 AM
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Well...I slept on it...and I still think this is ludicrous!

I agree that Obama is not very Christian, no matter what he claims for votes or otherwise; however, there is no evidence that he is a practicing Muslim. So unless he's a sleeper planning a Jihad (and what form would that take, anyway?), what is the point of even discussing it?

I disagree with his policies, and I think his philosophies are ungodly and some of them even wicked. That doesn't make him a Muslim terrorist, though--it just makes him like a whole bunch of other people in this country.

As for the speech itself...his speech writer (Jon Favreau) would have to also understand what's going on in order to "carefully craft" such a double intendre-filled play on words. So now we're accusing him of being a Muslim extremist as well? Someone support that with actual evidence, please.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:56 AM
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Well...I slept on it...and I still think this is ludicrous!

I agree that Obama is not very Christian, no matter what he claims for votes or otherwise; however, there is no evidence that he is a practicing Muslim. So unless he's a sleeper planning a Jihad (and what form would that take, anyway?), what is the point of even discussing it?

I disagree with his policies, and I think his philosophies are ungodly and some of them even wicked. That doesn't make him a Muslim terrorist, though--it just makes him like a whole bunch of other people in this country.

As for the speech itself...his speech writer (Jon Favreau) would have to also understand what's going on in order to "carefully craft" such a double intendre-filled play on words. So now we're accusing him of being a Muslim extremist as well? Someone support that with actual evidence, please.
"No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice — in this world and the next."

O hates America and every Christian thing that it has stood for. He is more alligned with dictators and radical Muslims (certainly not the Iranian men and women who were protesting in the streets). He doesn't share the heartbeat of most Americans.

Jon Favreau (age 27-28) is paid in the neighborhood of $172,000- plus many perks. Are we really to believe that a professional couldn't be more concise in his words; leaving a double meaning to be gleaned from those that looked for it?

AND AGAIN- when has an American President ever talked about justice in the after life? Coincidence?
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Old 11-11-2009, 12:55 PM
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I don’t believe that Barak is a Muslim any more than I believe he is a Christian. He is however an opportunist willing to use what ever faith will help him achieve his national aspirations.
If believing that tomatoes are god would further his agenda, you would hear him giving an eloquent homily extolling the virtues of the tomato.

The proof of this can be found in his 20 year membership in Jeremiah Wright’s radical church and in the ease with which he abandoned the man he claims help him find faith.

I do not put it past him to give a speech that delivers what ever message helps him achieve his goals. You can be sure that his goals have nothing to do with what most Americans think should be his goals.

He hates what America is. He hates what America has been for many years. He loves what America can be, if American can be bent into the form he seeks to bend it.

Remember this man is the love child of 60’s radicals who has self identified with 60s communist radicals and teamed with those who were an extension of that radical agenda as a community organizer, even working closely with Bill Ayers a founding member of the Weather Underground. Mr. Ayers has recently spent time in Venesuala paling around with Hugo Chavez.

While I don’t know if this speech was as duplicitous as Newman suggests, I do not put it past him to speak in such a way. I do think that being wary of Barak Obama is just the right thing to do.
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While I don’t know if this speech was as duplicitous as Newman suggests, I do not put it past him to speak in such a way. I do think that being wary of Barak Obama is just the right thing to do.


I believe his speech could have, handily, appeased BOTH sides - very, very craftily worded!!!!!
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:24 PM
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I say judge President Obama by his character!
Does he keep his word?
Who one gets advice from and what they believe goes a long way to showing their character.

A man is know by the company he keeps.

He keeps company with those that despise capitalism and espouse radical left wing agenda's. As the saying goes follow the money. Who's money supports the agenda of this Presidency? George Soros for one. Go research what he believes. Look into the statements of his Cabinet members. One said he is a communist. One said Mao was a favorite. One stated that capitalism needs to be dismantled brick by brick. Obama himself said that wealth needs to be spread.....by taxation.

The MSM refuses to look into any of this much less report on it objectively.

Go read Saul Alinsky, a hero to these folks. Look into what Claward-Piven devised as a strategy to bring the this Country to it's knees.

Then you come back a declare how great Obama is.

Stating how bad Bush/Chaney were is no argument to protect what is going on right now!
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:40 PM
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I don’t believe that Barak is a Muslim any more than I believe he is a Christian. He is however an opportunist willing to use what ever faith will help him achieve his national aspirations.
If believing that tomatoes are god would further his agenda, you would hear him giving an eloquent homily extolling the virtues of the tomato.

The proof of this can be found in his 20 year membership in Jeremiah Wright’s radical church and in the ease with which he abandoned the man he claims help him find faith.

I do not put it past him to give a speech that delivers what ever message helps him achieve his goals. You can be sure that his goals have nothing to do with what most Americans think should be his goals.

He hates what America is. He hates what America has been for many years. He loves what America can be, if American can be bent into the form he seeks to bend it.

Remember this man is the love child of 60’s radicals who has self identified with 60s communist radicals and teamed with those who were an extension of that radical agenda as a community organizer, even working closely with Bill Ayers a founding member of the Weather Underground. Mr. Ayers has recently spent time in Venesuala paling around with Hugo Chavez.

While I don’t know if this speech was as duplicitous as Newman suggests, I do not put it past him to speak in such a way. I do think that being wary of Barak Obama is just the right thing to do.
Great post as usual. However, I would tweak the first paragraph about national aspirations and render it to be about GLOBAL ASPIRATIONS. Remember his citizens of the world speech in Berlin when he was campaining?

Interestingly enough, he didn't have the time to go back and celebrate the 20 year anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall. It was a victory against Communism and for freedom of enslaved men and women that was wrought in part by American steadfastness against such enslavement. I have a hard time understanding why more people don't understand what is really going on...
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I don’t believe that Barak is a Muslim any more than I believe he is a Christian. He is however an opportunist willing to use what ever faith will help him achieve his national aspirations.
Now this I can agree with. Of course, that describes a large majority of politicians anyway.

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Wary of his motives, philosophies, policies & character--sure. Suspicious that he's a terrorist? I can't buy that.
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Great post as usual. However, I would tweak the first paragraph about national aspirations and render it to be about GLOBAL ASPIRATIONS. Remember his citizens of the world speech in Berlin when he was campaining?

Interestingly enough, he didn't have the time to go back and celebrate the 20 year anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall. It was a victory against Communism and for freedom of enslaved men and women that was wrought in part by American steadfastness against such enslavement. I have a hard time understanding why more people don't understand what is really going on...
I have even a harder time understanding why the American people put Obama in office. Anyone who could read the newspaper or listen to the news knew enough to be VERY wary of him. I worry more about what kind of people we have raised up in the USA the last couple of decades.
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Now this I can agree with. Of course, that describes a large majority of politicians anyway.



Wary of his motives, philosophies, policies & character--sure. Suspicious that he's a terrorist? I can't buy that.
I didnt say terrorist. He is however a marxist who fully intends to "right the wrongs of capitalism" All over the world.

he is breaking the American Bank because doing so helps to reshape America into something very different.

He is willing to sign a treaty on Global Warming that send hundreds of billions of dollars we dont have to poor countries to repy the "Climate debt".

If you use the word terrorist in the way that we use it for Al Quada, then Obama isnt that.

But if you use the word to mean an economic terrorist bent on bringing down the American capitalist domination, then he absolutly is.
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I have even a harder time understanding why the American people put Obama in office. . . .
They didn't. God did.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
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