According to post #173, I believe he was attempting to show the inconsistency of those who are insistent on oneness principles. If he has attempted to show error in the overall bible, I don't think he did it here.
I think it plays into that overall point of being on the forum. Just my opinion, anyway.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I preach all of Acts 2:38 for salvation. What God wants to do with those who do not obey all Acts 2:38 is up to Him. I do not judge them.
I disagree with dress standards. Yes, except JUST BE MODEST!
Since I do not believe in "one step", I did not preach against Acts 2:38 here. But I have stated dress standards are error, however it is not a salvational issue unless a person thinks the way they dress should be added to Acts 2:38 for salvation.
When it comes to standards, I do disagree with them. But they are not salvational as most standard-keeping people will propose. Some claim they may be salvational, but I think they are a minority. However, comparing someone who is trying to persuade people about the entire bible being wrong is a far cry from someone proposing that dress standards are not salvation. I think most would agree.
I don't say the entire Bible is wrong. It has good wisdom in it, especially some of Christ's teachings. I am skeptical that it is inspired by God, and that is infallible.
Just to clarify.
As far as persuading goes, what I'm trying to do is provoke thought, and defense of beliefs. It seems to me that a lot of people simply believe what they are told they must believe, often without realizing or admitting all the implications of the doctrines. Also, sometimes their actions and speech betray their true beliefs, indicating that they don't really believe some of the things they say they do.
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I think I already know you agenda. You are trying to imply error in the overall Bible, as far as I can see, with this and similar polls and discussions you initiate, though not all. Sorry if I am incorrect. .
But since I protest such an agenda on this forum, I will not participate. Nothing personal.
No prob!
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I don't say the entire Bible is wrong. It has good wisdom in it, especially some of Christ's teachings. I am skeptical that it is inspired by God, and that is infallible.
Just to clarify.
As far as persuading goes, what I'm trying to do is provoke thought, and defense of beliefs. It seems to me that a lot of people simply believe what they are told they must believe, often without realizing or admitting all the implications of the doctrines. Also, sometimes their actions and speech betray their true beliefs, indicating that they don't really believe some of the things they say they do.
I agree some folks simply believe what they're told and "parrot" all they know, which they do not really know. And something should urge them to learn what they claim they believe. However, that should lbe done without discouraging them from believing the Bible is indeed God's inspired Word. I honestly think it is ethically wrong to come to a Christian forum and try to show folks the Bible is not God's inspired Word.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
According to post #173, I believe he was attempting to show the inconsistency of those who are insistent on oneness principles. If he has attempted to show error in the overall bible, I don't think he did it here.
That's correct. I didn't even have that in mind, when I made the poll. The question was about killing, which may sound provocative, and maybe I could have asked something else and made the same point. But I'm not trying to prove anything about error in the Bible. (In this thread! )
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I preach all of Acts 2:38 for salvation. What God wants to do with those who do not obey all Acts 2:38 is up to Him. I do not judge them.
I disagree with dress standards. Yes, except JUST BE MODEST!
Since I do not believe in "one step", I did not preach against Acts 2:38 here. But I have stated dress standards are error, however it is not a salvational issue unless a person thinks the way they dress should be added to Acts 2:38 for salvation.
When it comes to standards, I do disagree with them. But they are not salvational as most standard-keeping people will propose. Some claim they may be salvational, but I think they are a minority. However, comparing someone who is trying to persuade people about the entire bible being wrong is a far cry from someone proposing that dress standards are not salvation. I think most would agree.
Ok, fair enough. I wasn't 100% sure where you were with the salvation thing but I was pretty sure about the dress codes.
But I think you will acknowledge that many pastors DO feel dress codes are a salvational issue, so I think the comparison is valid. To many, your disagreement with the dress codes would be tantamount to Timmy's disagreement with the bible as a whole, but to YOU it's much different. It all depends on who's turf is trying to be protected. I know some pastors who would, with no hesitation, call you a "voice of the devil" and forbid their members to speak to you.
I guess what I'm saying is, if you're able to state your disagreement with pentecostal dress codes, then Timmy should be able to give his perspectives. Eventually, people are going to hear his viewpoints and hear them from someone who actively seeks to destroy. So why not hear it here from a kind and decent man where there's also an opportunity for worthwhile rebuttal?
I agree some folks simply believe what they're told and "parrot" all they know, which they do not really know. And something should urge them to learn what they claim they believe. However, that should lbe done without discouraging them from believing the Bible is indeed God's inspired Word. I honestly think it is ethically wrong to come to a Christian forum and try to show folks the Bible is not God's inspired Word.
I understand. And I have often stated that I am grateful to the admins for allowing me to be here, and that I will graciously leave if ever they ask.
(I understand, but disagree that it is ethically wrong, of course!)
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Ok, fair enough. I wasn't 100% sure where you were with the salvation thing but I was pretty sure about the dress codes.
But I think you will acknowledge that many pastors DO feel dress codes are a salvational issue, so I think the comparison is valid. To many, your disagreement with the dress codes would be tantamount to Timmy's disagreement with the bible as a whole, but to YOU it's much different. It all depends on who's turf is trying to be protected. I know some pastors who would, with no hesitation, call you a "voice of the devil" and forbid their members to speak to you.
I disagree. This is a Christian forum. Christians believe the Bible is inspired of God. Toleration of differences in minor issues like dress codes is acceptable. I think that is a given on THIS forum. Maybe not others. But I do not agree whatsoever that trying to subvert faith in the overall bible is comparable on a Christian forum to disagreement over dress standards.
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I guess what I'm saying is, if you're able to state your disagreement with pentecostal dress codes, then Timmy should be able to give his perspectives.
Sorry, not the same thing at all.
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Eventually, people are going to hear his viewpoints and hear them from someone who actively seeks to destroy. So why not hear it here from a kind and decent man where there's also an opportunity for worthwhile rebuttal?
Subtle manners of subverting Christian faith are perhaps more dangerous! My opinion.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I agree some folks simply believe what they're told and "parrot" all they know, which they do not really know. And something should urge them to learn what they claim they believe. However, that should lbe done without discouraging them from believing the Bible is indeed God's inspired Word. I honestly think it is ethically wrong to come to a Christian forum and try to show folks the Bible is not God's inspired Word.
If it is then I think it is ethically wrong for the admins to have allowed him to stay... so they gotta take some of the blame too if that's true
EDIT: Wouldn't it also be ethically wrong for you to support such a forum with your posts while this is being allowed on the forum?
I don't say the entire Bible is wrong. It has good wisdom in it, especially some of Christ's teachings. I am skeptical that it is inspired by God, and that is infallible.
Just to clarify.
As far as persuading goes, what I'm trying to do is provoke thought, and defense of beliefs. It seems to me that a lot of people simply believe what they are told they must believe, often without realizing or admitting all the implications of the doctrines. Also, sometimes their actions and speech betray their true beliefs, indicating that they don't really believe some of the things they say they do.
And as long as you continue to point these things out (the bolded) I will be the president of your fan club (see my "Too Sensitive" thread). I am disgusted by the practice of barking endlessly about the "Power of the Holy Ghost" while, at the same time, making crude, tasteless, mean-spirited, and un-Christlike jokes about the mentally & physically handicapped and beating women!!!!
I do not judge them.
Sorry if I am incorrect. 
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