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Old 07-30-2009, 01:54 PM
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Re: Doctrinal Conference 2009 (Atlanta West)

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Is DS for or against the standard for outward Holiness?
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Is DS for or against the standard for outward Holiness?
I am pretty sure DS's stand on outward holiness is very typical of the UPC. He is the author of a book about the standard of uncut hair.

DS stays in the bible and I think he lets the Bible speak for itself and doesn't necessarily take certain positions just because everyone else does.
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I am pretty sure DS's stand on outward holiness is very typical of the UPC. He is the author of a book about the standard of uncut hair.

DS stays in the bible and I think he lets the Bible speak for itself and doesn't necessarily take certain positions just because everyone else does.
EDIT: I JUST CAME BACK TO THIS THREAD AND REALIZED THAT WHEN I MADE THE POST BELOW I INCORRECTLY THOUGHT WE WERE DISCUSSING DB, NOT DS. I HAVE NOT READ ANY DS BOOKS. PLEASE DISREGARD THE POST BELOW.

Hmmmm....I might have to disagree with your last statement. I remember several decades ago when he first published his book on "holiness" thinking that he was way too smart for some of the applications he extrapolated in that book.

The only thing he actually stood up for as not making sense was facial hair on men. Even then he justified the historical ban on it by connecting it to the hippie culture / rebellion. I was proud he indicated it really didn't apply today.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"

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Was that the revelation you got after eating your chilli. You come up with a lot of unbiblical opinions after a run to the border.

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There are NO Christians who have NOT been baptized in Jesus Name just for the record.
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Are you accusing Bernard of false doctrine?
No I don't know what B really believes for sure. I do know what DS believes.
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Was that the revelation you got after eating your chilli. You come up with a lot of unbiblical opinions after a run to the border.
ALL the early Christians in the Bible had been baptized in Jesus Name read the Book of Acts. NOT ONE person since Pentecost has had their sins remitted without being baptized in Jesus Name.
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What verse says the Phillipian jailer was baptized in Jesus name? Feel free to use the KJV.

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ALL the early Christians in the Bible had been baptized in Jesus Name read the Book of Acts. NOT ONE person since Pentecost has had their sins remitted without being baptized in Jesus Name.
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What verse says the Phillipian jailer was baptized in Jesus name? Feel free to use the KJV.
You tell us?????? Do you think Paul changed from the 16th to the 19th chapter?
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Re: Doctrinal Conference 2009 (Atlanta West)

Hey Brother Epley, I believe they were all baptized in the name of Jesus! I have been told on here that I did not believe that but I do believe it and I have never baptized anyone any other way other than using the Name of Jesus in water baptism.
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I also believe that the Biblical record is clear that they baptized In Jesus name. It is only logical that if every instance where the formula is described it is in the name of Jesus that the other instances where no formula is described it was in the same way.

There is not one single recorded instance of water baptism being done in the "name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost".
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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