Re: Esther - Helen Thomas again - Birthing questio
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Originally Posted by Twisp
Who knows why she would say it so forcefully? Unless there are facts to back it up, however, it means nothing.
I understand not wanting to get into it. The other thread has gotten ridiculous enough as it is.
I think this has not gone away for some people the same way other conspiracy's won't. Some people will always believe we did not land on the moon, some people will always believe the earth is flat, ect. People love conspiracy's, including me. There just has to come a point where you look at all the information available, and admit that he is a natural US citizen.
For all of the threads, blogs and editorials, there has been nothing that a court has deemed relevant to look at, there is nothing that gave the Federal Election Commission pause, and there is nothing that the Republican party has been able to find. This big of a cover-up just could not stay hidden for this long.
I don't really have time to stay on the subject today as I have company. They ran down to the beach for a few hours in the sun. Not up for mid-day sun today. I hate being sunburned! lol
Anyway, I'm spending a little time on line while they are gone.
I think it hasn't gone away because of the issues he is pushing with rapidity - push it in, hurry, hurry, hurry, his past and present associations that people think the American people have NOT paid attention to. Just a whole lot of elements that hover over his head. That's why I think it's not going away.
On an aside note - I read a very uplifting article about Utah and it's health insurance program that took TIME to develop and thus far looks like a great plan. Perhaps Obama should look at it.
Re: Esther - Helen Thomas again - Birthing questio
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Originally Posted by Twisp
Who knows why she would say it so forcefully? Unless there are facts to back it up, however, it means nothing.
I lift up my head when Helen Thomas speaks and provokes. When she is angry, she doesn't verbally go off on someone, she walks away or hangs up her phone. I'm still very curious why she would make these remarks. Perhaps we will never know, but then again.........
Re: Esther - Helen Thomas again - Birthing questio
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Originally Posted by Twisp
Do I believe the Hawaiian government would lie? I believe any one person could lie, but I do not believe a lie could stand up for long in this era of information. Especially a lie of this magnitude. I do not believe the entire government of Hawaii would lie, no. One person in it, yes.
That is how we detect baloney.
Hawaaii offers very carefully worded responses
They have offfered several responses that are contradictory
then they hide under the banner that they can't legally respond in any way.
They say they destroyed original documents in 2001 and in 2007 and 2008 they refer to documents they claim to have destroyed by reason of going to electronic media.
If what the State says it is true, then They did NOT send the item to daily Koz. because daily Koz is not the legal document holder.
The fake document has no fold lines. Several p[eople have ordered their B.C.s and they are mailed folded in a letter sized envelope. Fakes and forgeries.
Genuine fakes. REAL counterfeit.
Twisp. Have you ever seen a COLB and touched it that was not real?
There are no named witnesses to the birth. None. Flat earth syndrome for ya twisp?
"the entire governmen would lie"
This is an example of a lie detection tool. There is a dishonest exageration in the word "entire" Then it is reduced to a statement of the rediculous. These are dandy signs when we study people that make up lies.
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I do not believe the entire government of Hawaii would lie, no.
Including certified dog catchers? amplified and rediculous over generalization.
Re: Esther - Helen Thomas again - Birthing questio
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Originally Posted by coadie
That is how we detect baloney.
Hawaaii offers very carefully worded responses
They have offfered several responses that are contradictory
then they hide under the banner that they can't legally respond in any way.
They say they destroyed original documents in 2001 and in 2007 and 2008 they refer to documents they claim to have destroyed by reason of going to electronic media.
If what the State says it is true, then They did NOT send the item to daily Koz. because daily Koz is not the legal document holder.
The fake document has no fold lines. Several p[eople have ordered their B.C.s and they are mailed folded in a letter sized envelope. Fakes and forgeries.
Genuine fakes. REAL counterfeit.
Twisp. Have you ever seen a COLB and touched it that was not real?
There are no named witnesses to the birth. None. Flat earth syndrome for ya twisp?
"the entire governmen would lie"
This is an example of a lie detection tool. There is a dishonest exageration in the word "entire" Then it is reduced to a statement of the rediculous. These are dandy signs when we study people that make up lies.
Including certified dog catchers? amplified and rediculous over generalization.
Keep it up
Please go back to the other threads. We are trying to discuss this rationally over here, and that is not your strong suit. Thanks.
Re: Esther - Helen Thomas again - Birthing questio
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I don't really have time to stay on the subject today as I have company. They ran down to the beach for a few hours in the sun. Not up for mid-day sun today. I hate being sunburned! lol
Anyway, I'm spending a little time on line while they are gone.
I think it hasn't gone away because of the issues he is pushing with rapidity - push it in, hurry, hurry, hurry, his past and present associations that people think the American people have NOT paid attention to. Just a whole lot of elements that hover over his head. That's why I think it's not going away.
On an aside note - I read a very uplifting article about Utah and it's health insurance program that took TIME to develop and thus far looks like a great plan. Perhaps Obama should look at it.
I need to post this on one of Esther's Healthcare threads before I log out.
As I said in a previous post, I think conspiracies that people believe tend to line up with their personal feelings. That is probably why a higher than average number of people on here believe that he is not a citizen.
I have no idea why Helen Thomas brought it up. Unless she has some type of evidence that we do not however, it is of little consequence. In light of all the information from both sides of the discussion, it leans much more heavily on him being a natural US citizen, with that being verified by the State of Hawaii again.
Re: Esther - Helen Thomas again - Birthing questio
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I don't know exactly what is going on with this. It would be the demise of the Democratic party to have him exposed as it would expose their motives for allowing him in. Something has felt very wrong from the beginning. His past is all wrong, his history is all wrong, his past and present associations are all wrong.
I'm reluctant to believe his birth certificate is authentic. This is not a conspiracy thread. It is simply putting out curious information about the issue.
Obviously, as Helen Thomas is stating, the issue is not settled for many.
But don't you find it strange that out of all the Conservative there are 'out there', not one has been able to come up with proof to refute the evidence presented, in spite of what is being claimed?
To me, that's very telling, especially in a world where nothing is hidden anymore...not like it was even 20 years ago.
I'd love to have a reason to get Obama out of office, but repeating suspicions that are voiced by several without anything concrete to back it up won't do anything.
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Re: Esther - Helen Thomas again - Birthing questio
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I'm not getting into an argument with you on this. My thread is about Helen Thomas and others, after all the so-called proof, STILL questioning this and I am wondering why, like Helen, does it not go away? Something has not been concretely settled.
They blame the right-wing conspiracy on this, but Helen is a far-left Liberal and is questioning this as well.
Why would she so forcefully say - "It's against the Constitution"?
For me, the greater question would be, what does she know but isn't sharing?
To make a statement like that doesn't make sense if there's no proof to be found.
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Re: Esther - Helen Thomas again - Birthing questio
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Originally Posted by Twisp
As I said in a previous post, I think conspiracies that people believe tend to line up with their personal feelings. That is probably why a higher than average number of people on here believe that he is not a citizen.
I have no idea why Helen Thomas brought it up. Unless she has some type of evidence that we do not however, it is of little consequence. In light of all the information from both sides of the discussion, it leans much more heavily on him being a natural US citizen, with that being verified by the State of Hawaii again.
I don't know either - perhaps they want to push the issue until it can't be pushed any further. The fact remains, it's an unsettled issue - no matter what has been said.
Re: Esther - Helen Thomas again - Birthing questio
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I don't know either - perhaps they want to push the issue until it can't be pushed any further. The fact remains, it's an unsettled issue - no matter what has been said.
It is an unsettled issue for some, yes. For the state of Hawaii it is settled, no matter what we discuss.
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