Will we have any Rights left?

Esther · #1 07-27-2009, 08:21 AM

Texas has now passed a law that you have to leave your home unprotected when there is a mandatory evacuation given or be arrested. An illegal alien can stay and break the law but a law abiding citizen will now be arrested and they can use "reasonable" force to remove you from your home.

I can cite this past year where the county I live in had a mandatory evacuation and we didn't get hardly any wind or rain. In fact, we have had thunderstorms that had much more wind and rain.

What really makes this bad is not only do you have to leave but they generally don't let you back in before all your food has spoiled due to electricity being off.

I am sick and tired of the government trying to "protect" me!

I don't need a seatbelt law to protect me, that should be my choice. I can choose to kill an unborn baby but I can't choose how I want to protect my own life?

If folks stay when a storm is coming then I don't think anyone should risk their life to save you, but that should be your choice. Folks have been staying for years and making it fine.

I wonder can the state be sued if you come back to your home and it has been vandalized?

Probably not. The theory being no one will be in town, but we all know the criminals find a way to break the law.

coadie · #2 07-27-2009, 08:24 AM

A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him toward the left.

What you posted comes from the foolish man on the left. The nanny state.

Digging4Truth · #3 07-27-2009, 08:48 AM

My question would be this... (it is an actual question... not an accusatory statement disguised as a question)

For those who don't like laws like this taking away our rights...

Are there other infringements of rights that seem "positive" or "necessary"?

Under the patriot act there are certain rights that can be lost...

The right to a trial by a jury of your peers.
The right to not be searched without warrant.
The right to not be wiretapped without warrant etc.

These are things that many people have been speaking against for a while but because they MIGHT BE (innocent until proven guilty...remember) terrorists then it is okay.

If anyone is for the set of rights I listed being lost to those who might be terrorists then don't question why our own rights are gone.

Rights are rights... these are not rights that we were granted by the government and are therefore necessarily rights that are beyond the grasp of the government to remove from us. These are rights that were granted to us by our creator and are not alienable.

If one can agree to waive someone else's rights... rest assured... without doubt... someone else will see a perfectly good reason why yours should be waived as well.

The only way to ensure your own rights is to work to ensure the rights of those you despise most.

If ONE right is circumvented then, in time, all rights will be circumvented.

Esther · #4 07-27-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

My question would be this... (it is an actual question... not an accusatory statement disguised as a question)

For those who don't like laws like this taking away our rights...

Are there other infringements of rights that seem "positive" or "necessary"?

Under the patriot act there are certain rights that can be lost...

The right to a trial by a jury of your peers.
The right to not be searched without warrant.
The right to not be wiretapped without warrant etc.

These are things that many people have been speaking against for a while but because they MIGHT BE (innocent until proven guilty...remember) terrorists then it is okay.

If anyone is for the set of rights I listed being lost to those who might be terrorists then don't question why our own rights are gone.

Rights are rights... these are not rights that we were granted by the government and are therefore necessarily rights that are beyond the grasp of the government to remove from us. These are rights that were granted to us by our creator and are not alienable.

If one can agree to waive someone else's rights... rest assured... without doubt... someone else will see a perfectly good reason why yours should be waived as well.

The only way to ensure your own rights is to work to ensure the rights of those you despise most.

If ONE right is circumvented then, in time, all rights will be circumvented.

I agree with you. Too many of our rights are removed for "safety" reasons.

Digging4Truth · #5 07-27-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

I agree with you. Too many of our rights are removed for "safety" reasons.

Indeed... as Benjamin Franklin so wisely stated "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty, nor safety."

Esther · #6 07-27-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Indeed... as Benjamin Franklin so wisely stated "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty, nor safety."

And we do NOT have any more safety than we did.

Digging4Truth · #7 07-27-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

And we do NOT have any more safety than we did.

Agreed.... wholeheartedly.

Esther · #8 07-27-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Agreed.... wholeheartedly.

I'm trying to find the law to see who voted for it. I can't seem to find it. I know it goes into effect 9/1/09 and I looked at those and there was a LOT, but I did not see anything that appeared to apply to this new law.

coadie · #9 07-27-2009, 09:33 AM

It is easy to pass all kinds of laws under the words "safety" "protection"
for "our children" "future generations".

Let me share an example.
Protect our children.
The state wants girls to not grow and get cancer
How do the get cancer?
HPV

Quote:

Perry issued an executive order Friday requiring girls to be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted HPV, or human pappilomavirus. Doctors, scientists and experts were not consulted before the sweeping mandate was put in place. Several Texas lawmakers, including Sen. Jane Nelson, have petitioned for a reversal of the decision but the Legislature has no authority to repeal Perry's executive order.

So the statists give safety and the price is removing safety.
"

Quote:

Young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision and some girls have lost consciousness during what appear to be seizures," said Vicky Debold, health policy analyst for the National Vaccine Information Center, a nonprofit watchdog organization that was created in the early 1980s to prevent vaccine injuries."

What is the presenting problem?

The bible says chastity before marriage. it prevents what the government protects people from

Esthers example says the lost of protection and safe kepping of the property is the price the gov forces to protect you.

We need protection from the statists.

Digging4Truth · #10 07-27-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

I'm trying to find the law to see who voted for it. I can't seem to find it. I know it goes into effect 9/1/09 and I looked at those and there was a LOT, but I did not see anything that appeared to apply to this new law.

One important power the people still have is that of jury duty. There needs to be a widespread campaign of educating the people about the power they possess as a juror.

This is excellent reading on the subject.

A few quotes....

“The jury has the right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy.” John Jay, 1st
Chief Justice U.S. supreme Court, 1789

“The jury has the right to determine both the law and the facts.” Samuel Chase, U.S. supreme
Court Justice, 1796, Signer of the unanimous Declaration

“The jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both law and fact.” Oliver Wendell
Holmes, U.S. supreme Court Justice, 1902

“The law itself is on trial quite as much as the cause which is to be decided.” Harlan F. Stone,
12th Chief Justice U.S. supreme Court, 1941