I would like to ask Obama...

[Esther]

I would like to ask Obama why he thinks his plan is better than what we have, when what we have now does not exclude anyone due to age. Our existing plan allows all humans to be treated.

His plan will offer annual consulation for the elderly to decide on a way to end their life.

It is evident he has a low rate for the value of life. Kill the babies and kill the elderly. Hope he remembers he will be old one day to if he's lucky. Hope they write the bill with no exceptions for the politians. [that would be the day]

Do you have a question that you can be sure he won't answer?

[coadie]

It will not cover the elite. The plan for us is more like the Indian Health care fiasco.
Of course The One is on teevee tonight doing an informercial. He claims 40 million more people willl have "free" coverage. So docs will see 20% more people each day. since it is sold as free for many, it will be abused. Some of the patients will of course be restricted to contact by phone. Socialized medicine is failing rapidly in Massachusetts.May joined and used 2-3 thousand worth of service in 6 months and dropped.

[Esther]

I would like to ask Obama is he destroying America as fast as he planned!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Esther

I would like to ask Obama is he destroying America as fast as he planned!

WASHINGTON -- The feds are spending tens of millions of stimulus dollars to repair and build toilets across the nation, in an outflow of taxpayer funds that critics have branded "potty pork."

From humble sylvan outhouses to "historic" restrooms, cash from the $787 billion stimulus is going to spruce up or completely replace aging toilets, government releases show.

In New Mexico alone, the feds are spending $2.8 million for toilets in national forests.

The bathroom bonanza runs across myriad federal agencies, from the Department of Housing and Urban Development to the Veterans Affairs Administration and the Army.

"You could definitely say this is potty pork," said Leslie Paige of Citizens Against Government Waste. "This puts a whole different swirl on money going down the drain."

Many proposals cite the need to improve accessibility under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

And where are the wheel chair accessible kayaks?

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Esther

I would like to ask Obama why he thinks his plan is better than what we have, when what we have now does not exclude anyone due to age. Our existing plan allows all humans to be treated.

His plan will offer annual consulation for the elderly to decide on a way to end their life.

It is evident he has a low rate for the value of life. Kill the babies and kill the elderly. Hope he remembers he will be old one day to if he's lucky. Hope they write the bill with no exceptions for the politians. [that would be the day]

Do you have a question that you can be sure he won't answer?

Not true, Esther. You make it sound as though everyone in America gets the treatment they need for their particular medical problem without any restrictions of insurance or up front money. The state of health care in America does not allow people without money or health insurance things like organ transplants and expensive cancer treatment. Chronic diseases are not treated for free. That's incorrect information.

Now if it's an emergent need like a car wreck, severed arm, broken arm, trauma of some kind, then yes the ER must treat, but they don't give people chemotherapy or heart transplants in ER's.

In the ER if a patient is triaged and determined to be non-emergent, the hosptial is not legally bound to treat them. Many people are turned away from ER's if the problem is not emergent.

[jezebelslayer]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

Not true, Esther. You make it sound as though everyone in America gets the treatment they need for their particular medical problem without any restrictions of insurance or up front money. The state of health care in America does not allow people without money or health insurance things like organ transplants and expensive cancer treatment. Chronic diseases are not treated for free. That's incorrect information.

Now if it's an emergent need like a car wreck, severed arm, broken arm, trauma of some kind, then yes the ER must treat, but they don't give people chemotherapy or heart transplants in ER's.

In the ER if a patient is triaged and determined to be non-emergent, the hosptial is not legally bound to treat them. Many people are turned away from ER's if the problem is not emergent.

Do you work in a hospital? I have and I have seen more people treated with or without health ins. than those who were turned away. Mostly the people I have seen turned away are those, true enough, with no health coverage but they also had minor problems such as a sore throat, a slight cough, etc, etc. An emergency room is no place for such ailments...go to your local health department.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by jezebelslayer

Do you work in a hospital? I have and I have seen more people treated with or without health ins. than those who were turned away. Mostly the people I have seen turned away are those, true enough, with no health coverage but they also had minor problems such as a sore throat, a slight cough, etc, etc. An emergency room is no place for such ailments...go to your local health department.

My wife has worked in various parts of a hospital since she got out of high school ten years ago. From outpatient services to the ER. I agree that there is plenty of ER abuse from people who don't need to be in the ER. That's one major driver in high healthcare costs.

I was speaking to Esther saying that a plan where everyone is covered isn't better than what we have now. The "existing plan" does "not allow all humans to be treated".

You're saying that your local health department accepts any patient for colds, coughs, and respiratory infections? Have you ever tried to set up an appointment to see a doctor for cough and colds and other minor medical problems at a health department?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by jezebelslayer

Do you work in a hospital? I have and I have seen more people treated with or without health ins. than those who were turned away. Mostly the people I have seen turned away are those, true enough, with no health coverage but they also had minor problems such as a sore throat, a slight cough, etc, etc. An emergency room is no place for such ailments...go to your local health department.

Welfare mindset. The welfare attitude is they deserve it. The waits are long at the health departments. We have welfare people dress for a party, hit the ER with their sick kids and get them admitted. Saves a baby sitter.

People can work and people can pay for healthcare.
In MASS they started a state plan and the newly insured ran up nearly 3,000 dollars in services "free" in the first few months.
The leftists push laziness and the state will cover ya. When does the state start handling feedings?

[Esther]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

My wife has worked in various parts of a hospital since she got out of high school ten years ago. From outpatient services to the ER. I agree that there is plenty of ER abuse from people who don't need to be in the ER. That's one major driver in high healthcare costs.

I was speaking to Esther saying that a plan where everyone is covered isn't better than what we have now. The "existing plan" does "not allow all humans to be treated".

You're saying that your local health department accepts any patient for colds, coughs, and respiratory infections? Have you ever tried to set up an appointment to see a doctor for cough and colds and other minor medical problems at a health department?

Your right there are insurance policies out there that isn't worth a plug nickel.

But don't be deceived into thinking the government plan will be better than what we have. It WON'T!

[Esther]

I would like to ask Obama why the people should trust this government that can't balance a budget why we should think they could run a health care plan?