Twisp- I would like to understand your position. Do you believe:
1. The document (original image) released on the internet was real? The document Obama released was real, not imaginary. It was also valid.
2. The document (paper document) that the reporters handled was real? They did handle a real document.
3. The original image and the paper document were the same? As far as I can tell.
4. The document shown is sufficient proof of Hawaiin birth even if Hawaii allows for foreign births to documented this way; although the original birth certificate still shows foreign birth? By itself, I believe it lends credence, if not sufficient evidence, to Hawaiian birth. When coupled with the fact that Hawaiian officials have validated having his birth certificate, along with two birth announcements in local newspapers on the day he was born, I think it is sufficient proof. More importantly, the process one goes through to run for the office of President concluded he is of American citizenship.
5. Obama was born in Hawaii? Or it is irrelevant where he was born? He was born in Hawaii. It is not irrelevant where he was born.
I would also seek to understand your mindset.
6. Did you vote for Obama? I voted for Ron Paul in the Primaries, Obama in the Presidential Election.
7. If so, would you vote for him again? Hard to say at this point. Depending on who he is running against, I probably would. I do hold the viewpoint, however, that the different between Republicans and Democrats is minute. Both parties are out of touch with the common man, and are chiefly concerned with bigger government.
8. Are you troubled by his many evil associations? If not, why? I am not as troubled by his many evil associates as are others. One man's evil is another man's shady. One man's associates are another man's acquaintance.
9. Do you agree with dismantling capitalism? No.
10. Are you employed by the goverment? No. Neither is my wife.
11. Do you belong to a union? I do not. My father-in-law does. He calls them "organized gangsters", but is happy with them money they pay him. He does say his union has changed a lot from when he first started working for them.
THANK YOU for helping me to understand how you see things.
That was one small item that they apparently got from Obama directly. They were not the only people to print that and have to change it. Hard to believe, but sometimes people make mistakes.
Obama lied. People substitute the word "mistake" for the word lie. Then people repeat lies. (the serpent made mistakes in Genesis 3. It is hard to believe)
Give me a proof that when Obama switched his hospital of birth, it is truthfull this time. Just remember the hospitals have been threatened and will not cooperate with people that have tried to check them out.
It is not hard to believe people lie. No they didn't get it from Obama directly. He writes stuff in his books and will not take direct questions. I will say it is a mistake to quote snopes. They should never be quoted because they never went to Hawaaii and got a real document and had it examined.
Repeating heaarsay again and again never willl make it turn into truth.
I predict if we saw the original documents, which most likely were hand written and have doc's names on them and saw all of his passports, the number of lies and contradictions would be shocking.
The picture of the COLB is a fake. It is done by a word processor and word processors were not invented in 1961.
It is a lie because it has the word "certificate" on it and it is not certified. It has no name, signature that certified it to qualify it to be called a certificate.
Snopes is sloppy and pathetic. Using snopes is a mistake as I have clearly demonstrated. It tells me you go for sites that cite without checking facts.
In counselling, we see lying as a tool that is applied to protect self for a variety of motives. Some lie just to do it. But most lie because they feel the truth will damage something. In the case of this narcissist, the truth won't validate his ego.
Just a very kind and friendly suggestion. when people defend liars like Obama, Bill Ayers, anthony Rezco, Kwayme Kilpatrick Rod Blagojevech etc, at some point they are endorsing the persons and start endorsing the behaviors. Obama after the election said he would investigate his own people (what a joke, self investigate crime.) He proclaimed he and none of his people had conversations with gove Rod blagojecech regarding his newly vacated senate seat. Then they played some of the tapes. Real records existed. Ooops, Obama was exposed again.
I am a Christian and called to speak out against unrighteousness. In Acts, some believers went to jail for stepping on toes. (the girl that was delivered from sorcery) http://www.audacityofdeceit.com/
Here is a good book out on Obama's agenda and it is unfolding in front of our eyes. I've read Obama's books. I read a book on Palin before she had name recognition.
It is a sad day for America, but Obama has a way of causing his own implosion in front of our eyes. I like him. I don't trust him at all. I also know many of his moves are dangerous and harmful.
He lied about evacuating from war. Our death rates in Afghanistan are 3 per day and the highest soldier death rates in 8 years. I actually believed he would surrendor and leave the middle east. I was wrong. I believed he would close gitmo. I was wrong My eyes see it is still open.
Just the process one has to go through to become a candidate lends itself to the fact that he is on the up and up. Imagine how many eyes and hand would have seen and touched his birth certificate, from the time he declared, until the time he won. I don't believe the Obama camp could have passed off a fake the entire time.
In fact, it seems that it is very hard to find anyone who actually touched his birth certificate (and is still alive). The vetting process is normally trial by fire with the media. That didn't happen. To the contrary.
Now, we have a peculiar story indeed for a president with nothing to hide.
A reserve soldier went to court for a restraining order (emergency order that the court has to address quickly) to block having to go to war based on Obama usurping the office of commander in chief given the circumstances of his birth.
Grice explained that he had been in touch with Defense Security Services (DSS -- an agency of the Department of Defense, with regional offices located in SOCOM Headquarters at McDill Airforce Base in Tampa, Florida), and that DSS had not yet made a determination whether Plaintiff Major Cook’s clearances would be pulled, but Grice made clear to Cook that it was DSS who had compelled Cook’s termination. Essentially, because of the "nutty and crazy" situation and the communications received from DSS was no longer employable by him at all. So he was not optimistic about getting me another job at the company. Grice also reported to Plaintiff that there was some gossip that "people were disappointed in" the Plaintiff because they thought he was manipulating his deployment orders to create a platform for political purposes. Grice then discussed Plaintiff’s expectation of receiving final paychecks (including accrued leave pay) already owed, without any severance pay, and wished the Plaintiff well.
Twisp- Thanks for answering. Those of us that want to save the country from Obama have got to figure out a way to present the facts in such a way that good-hearted people like yourself, who don't believe the Government could be that corrupt, is.
We have got to figure it out before the next election; or it is unlikely we will ever reclaim America as it was. IMO
Twisp- Thanks for answering. Those of us that want to save the country from Obama have got to figure out a way to present the facts in such a way that good-hearted people like yourself, who don't believe the Government could be that corrupt, is.
We have got to figure it out before the next election; or it is unlikely we will ever reclaim America as it was. IMO
Are you kidding me? Of course I think the government is corrupt. I watch every Free Mason show on the History Channel (not saying I believe all of it, but some of it is believeable-ish). Bush instituted perhaps the largest encroachment on personal freedoms we might ever see. Clinton cheated on his wife, lied about it on national TV, and got away with it!
Parts of Government are corrupt, have been corrupt, and will always be corrupt. I have a hard time trusting anyone that actively campaigns to be in government.
In this case, however, if facts were presented about him not being an American citizen, us "good-hearted people" would believe them. There are no facts to support it, however, so most of us have moved on.
I got the email listed below. Has anyone heard if this is true or just one of the many stories that shoots around the email world?
BOMBSHELL…Supreme Court now has Obama Citizenship
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.
The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California . The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.
To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.
Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president.
When reached for comment in London , where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.
Britain 's Daily Mail also carried the story in a front-page article titled, Obama Eligibility Questioned leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.
In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey .
This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama' s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.
Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.
So far, Obama's main stream media haven't touched it!
A little off topic, but generally the same...has anyone watched the documentary called, "The Obama Deception"?
Personally I don't think the title accurately describes the documentary, while this doc slams Obama in many ways it also slams Bush and Clinton. Really what it is about is the power brokers behind the President.
I thought it was interesting. If you seen it I would like to you know your thoughts
In this case, however, if facts were presented about him not being an American citizen, us "good-hearted people" would believe them. There are no facts to support it, however, so most of us have moved on.
Twisp- The people have tried to get to Court more than 20 times so that the experts can address the issues presented. However, Obama has spent more than 2 million dollars arguing that the plaintiffs don't have standing to bring the law suits.
This week; the plaintiff, S. Cook, who was asked to deploy under Obama had standing to bring the lawsuit. The case was scheduled for TODAY. Yesterday, the military changed their mind and he is no longer being asked to go to war. SO THE CASE IS MOOT. What a coincidence! NOT.
Too bad for Mr. Cook, that one of the government agencies took it upon themselves to convince his employer to fire him too.
Twisp- The people have tried to get to Court more than 20 times so that the experts can address the issues presented. However, Obama has spent more than 2 million dollars arguing that the plaintiffs don't have standing to bring the law suits.
This week; the plaintiff, S. Cook, who was asked to deploy under Obama had standing to bring the lawsuit. The case was scheduled for TODAY. Yesterday, the military changed their mind and he is no longer being asked to go to war. SO THE CASE IS MOOT. What a coincidence! NOT.
Too bad for Mr. Cook, that one of the government agencies took it upon themselves to convince his employer to fire him too.
Ever hear of a smoking gun?
Or the other side of it, where the Army decided they didn't want a person given to wild conspiracy's in their service. And what proof is there that a government agency convinced his employer to fire him? He did work at in a civilian defense contractor position, but again, I would think his employer would not want to be associated with him.
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