I am Scott Phillips. I posted the message linked here on this page.
I can speak from a man under 40, Minister in the UPC, he spoke to the issues and mirrored my feelings precisely.
If you don't like the UPC, Acts 2:38, Holiness Lifestyle, just leave.
And if these cool brilliant talents boys who have one claim to fame and that being nepotism, why take a church who was built on this foundation... and STEAL IT because daddy don't have the guts to tell you no...
And go prove your method's on their merits, rather than piggy backing your doctrine and leading good people into darkness.
Mooney is a Good Man of God who is standing against this evil, dark, deceptive spirit of compromise.
The difference between Satans' Words to Eve and God's were three letters, one small word.....
NOT
And that little twist stole paradise and damned humanity to hell. Trying to use a philosophical approach to spiritual, biblical matters demonstrates the father of the doctrines born of such.
If your interested in my personal thought process, you can read my blog... I have been quite fervently dealing with these issues over the past few months.
Scott, I too am from MS and for the sake of ambiguity, I will not disclose my name. However, having said that, I was ordained at MS campground 20 years ago by G.R. Travis. K.H. Haney was my pastor for 7 years and I served in his church on pastoral staff.
I was raised in an Apostolic home and my father founded 3 churches and was highly respected in his organization. So, I have an Apostolic pedigree and am certainly qualified to speak on behalf of many good men who have moved past the teachings of the current UPCI.
The problem with your statement..."if you don't like the UPC, Acts 2:38, Holiness Lifestyle, just leave." is perhaps one of the most arrogant things I have read. The truth is the UPCI has been highjacked and ram-shacked by men who have been deceptive and ego centric agenda minded. Truthfully, I remember a time when ministers were allowed to have different and opposing views. Diversity is a wonderful thing. One should not be "ejected" and "marginalized" from a movement just because they seek biblical understanding as to "why" certain doctrines are being taught as salvific.
Now, I have no problem with anyone wanting a particular lifestyle. However, the moment we challenge the dress & hair code biblically, it falls quite short and cannot be substantiated. Truthfully, biblical scholars cannot even agree if 1 Corinthians 11 is a question or an answer to which we are not privy into the minds of the Corinthian elders seeking clarification. One cannot build doctrinal foundation on non-didactic texts. Furthermore, to suggest that those who do not "follow" are somehow eternally lost is damnable at best.
We do not serve Christ under the law, we are not living under the Old Covenant. Herein lies the problem with the UPCI's currently leadership; they assume they are right and everyone else is wrong. Truth is a person; His name is Jesus.
I have NEVER heard that, not as the definition of unequally yoked. Unequally yoked is Christian with non-Christian.
I would take it even a step further, because I've seen two Christians going separate directions, that just weren't equally yoked together. It would have been hard and difficult had they insisted on marrying.
I think your interpretation is closest to the original Text though.
Ok we see this on the same page Growingpains a beleiver being with a non believer but how will the unbeliever ever learn and have a chance....
Not by Flirt to Convert. They have plenty of chances without promising them your hand in marriage -- nor by forging other intimate relationships that have no goal of sharing Christ in them!
Last edited by GrowingPains; 07-09-2009 at 12:46 PM.
Scott, I too am from MS and for the sake of ambiguity, I will not disclose my name. However, having said that, I was ordained at MS campground 20 years ago by G.R. Travis. K.H. Haney was my pastor for 7 years and I served in his church on pastoral staff.
I was raised in an Apostolic home and my father founded 3 churches and was highly respected in his organization. So, I have an Apostolic pedigree and am certainly qualified to speak on behalf of many good men who have moved past the teachings of the current UPCI.
The problem with your statement..."if you don't like the UPC, Acts 2:38, Holiness Lifestyle, just leave." is perhaps one of the most arrogant things I have read. The truth is the UPCI has been highjacked and ram-shacked by men who have been deceptive and ego centric agenda minded. Truthfully, I remember a time when ministers were allowed to have different and opposing views. Diversity is a wonderful thing. One should not be "ejected" and "marginalized" from a movement just because they seek biblical understanding as to "why" certain doctrines are being taught as salvific.
Now, I have no problem with anyone wanting a particular lifestyle. However, the moment we challenge the dress & hair code biblically, it falls quite short and cannot be substantiated. Truthfully, biblical scholars cannot even agree if 1 Corinthians 11 is a question or an answer to which we are not privy into the minds of the Corinthian elders seeking clarification. One cannot build doctrinal foundation on non-didactic texts. Furthermore, to suggest that those who do not "follow" are somehow eternally lost is damnable at best.
We do not serve Christ under the law, we are not living under the Old Covenant. Herein lies the problem with the UPCI's currently leadership; they assume they are right and everyone else is wrong. Truth is a person; His name is Jesus.
Very well explained staysharp. I agree with your post as a whole, but the statement that "One cannot build doctrinal foundation on non-didactic texts" is particularly important in discussing the matters at hand.
I hope that Pastor Phillips will take the time to stop by and give his opinion on your post. I also hope he'll clear up some vague generalities that started this thread.
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Scott, I too am from MS and for the sake of ambiguity, I will not disclose my name. However, having said that, I was ordained at MS campground 20 years ago by G.R. Travis. K.H. Haney was my pastor for 7 years and I served in his church on pastoral staff.
I was raised in an Apostolic home and my father founded 3 churches and was highly respected in his organization. So, I have an Apostolic pedigree and am certainly qualified to speak on behalf of many good men who have moved past the teachings of the current UPCI.
The problem with your statement..."if you don't like the UPC, Acts 2:38, Holiness Lifestyle, just leave." is perhaps one of the most arrogant things I have read. The truth is the UPCI has been highjacked and ram-shacked by men who have been deceptive and ego centric agenda minded. Truthfully, I remember a time when ministers were allowed to have different and opposing views. Diversity is a wonderful thing. One should not be "ejected" and "marginalized" from a movement just because they seek biblical understanding as to "why" certain doctrines are being taught as salvific.
Now, I have no problem with anyone wanting a particular lifestyle. However, the moment we challenge the dress & hair code biblically, it falls quite short and cannot be substantiated. Truthfully, biblical scholars cannot even agree if 1 Corinthians 11 is a question or an answer to which we are not privy into the minds of the Corinthian elders seeking clarification. One cannot build doctrinal foundation on non-didactic texts. Furthermore, to suggest that those who do not "follow" are somehow eternally lost is damnable at best.
We do not serve Christ under the law, we are not living under the Old Covenant. Herein lies the problem with the UPCI's currently leadership; they assume they are right and everyone else is wrong. Truth is a person; His name is Jesus.
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