Agree or Disagree?

[Esther]

IF the government does require a government run healthcare system THEY should be required to have and use the same system with NO exceptions!

They wouldn't even consider doing it because they know it is a horrible idea.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

A government-run health insurance option is needed "to discipline insurance companies. If they can't compete, it's probably their fault. Many private insurers spend too much time thinking about profits instead of helping people."

Do you agree with these statements?

I disagree with these statements.

1) Government-run health insurance is not needed.

2) "To discipline insurance companies ..." Why should it be disciplined? Profits? Isn't that Capitalism at its core ... the American dream? Build a company to make a profit? It's anti-Capitalism and anti-American to discipline these companies simply because they care about making a profit.

3) If they can't compete, it will only be because the deck is stacked against them, not because of it being their fault. Game. Set. Match. It's over before it begins.

4) I'd say BHO and the government spend too much time meddling in lives of citizens, but that's just me. Is it wrong for a company to track profits?

Which does Wal*Mart care most about: A) poor quality of the made in china junk it sells its customers or B) soaring profits every black friday?

Are they wrong for that? No! Let the customers decide whether or not a company survives by purchasing their products ... not the government.

If a health insurance company is terrible and lacks humanity, let the consumers and its insured be the ones to decide whether or not to continue with the company ... not the government by stacking the deck against them.

Good enough for ya?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

I disagree with these statements.

1) Government-run health insurance is not needed.

2) "To discipline insurance companies ..." Why should it be disciplined? Profits? Isn't that Capitalism at its core ... the American dream? Build a company to make a profit? It's anti-Capitalism and anti-American to discipline these companies simply because they care about making a profit.

3) If they can't compete, it will only be because the deck is stacked against them, not because of it being their fault. Game. Set. Match. It's over before it begins.

4) I'd say BHO and the government spend too much time meddling in lives of citizens, but that's just me. Is it wrong for a company to track profits?

Which does Wal*Mart care most about: A) poor quality of the made in china junk it sells its customers or B) soaring profits every black friday?

Are they wrong for that? No! Let the customers decide whether or not a company survives by purchasing their products ... not the government.

If a health insurance company is terrible and lacks humanity, let the consumers and its insured be the ones to decide whether or not to continue with the company ... not the government by stacking the deck against them.

Good enough for ya?

No.

I am taught in American History about a time when American companies cared for Americans, respected it's employees and made decisions that would benefit their company-- to include the people that made up their company.


These American insurance companies would not exist if there was no Americans to make up America.

They couldn't make the money hand over fist in Russia or Mexico-- but they can in America!

So our country is in a crisis.

And as usual, no one wants to hold American businesses accountable for their unethical actions and decisions that negatively affect the country that made them who they are in the first place.


SO THEN, let the government, that same body that was elected for the people and by the people, let our government do something to help our fellow citizens.


What too many of my fellow GOP'ers fail to acknowledge is just how serious the health crisis is in our country.

Just like crime, there's a segment of our population that does not concern itself with the uncomfortable situations of our capitalist society until the roosters come home to roost and one of neighbor's kids gets hooked on crack or one of our relatives die needlessly because an insurance company had the power to allow a life saving surgery, but just didn't.


Where are the ethics in letting the citizens of the country that made you rich die because they can't afford your services?

[Jaxon]

How much of the Government do you want in your life??? I'm for as little as possible.......There are a lot fewer people with that don't have access to heath care than pro gov't propagnda services would have you believe........First of all Healthcare is not a right...find it in the constitition....it's not there........I have health care but there are some things in my policy I may not be able to afford........But i want them to make a profit so they can continue to operate........IF THE GOV'T TAKES OVER PRICES GO UP AND QUALITY AND EFFICIENCY GOES DOWN.....If you want more gov't in your life there are plenty of countries that will provide that for you.....of course you'll need to surrender your freedom there just as we are ghaving to do here......Nothing is free...even with the gov't...they may not charge $$$$$$ but they will take your FREEDOM

[Jermyn Davidson]

Jaxon, you're missing my point.

There are Americans dying because they can't afford healthcare!

That's not hype.


It is a serious problem that most everyone believes exist.

We're not talking about "global warming", were talking human life!


We take such a strong stand against abortion in the idea of preserving life.
But for those who are alive, forget 'em-- you can't help yourself, hurry up and die and on your way out, don't be such a drain on the economy!


Access to health care for Americans is a serious, serious problem for millions of working Americans-- literally millions. There isn't a company willing to step up!

How we go about solving it or, for some, if we should try to solve it, that is the issue for most.

But to deny that there is a problem is foolish.


We criticize our govt for not stepping up on the illegal immigrant problem!

We should applaud our govt for at least trying to step up concerning this dyer situation.

[Jaxon]

Let's agree there are a lot of Americans that don't have health care policies.....I don't buy that there are millions of Americans that don't have healthcare......Look at any hospitals emergency room.....it's loaded with people who don't have healthcare policies but they will recieve services....they will not be allowed to die......and they won't pay........I believe the healthcare institutions here are more generous than other companies....companies that aren't going to let you walk out the door without paying....(and by the way , there's nothing wrong with expecting payment for services rendered. It's how you stay in business)...........so people can get health care even if theyt can't pay.....You want to trade this for a "cradle to grave situation" where the gov't takes care of everything you can't and by the way....remember....A GOVERNMENT THAT IS BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED IS ABLE TO TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jaxon

Let's agree there are a lot of Americans that don't have health care policies.....I don't buy that there are millions of Americans that don't have healthcare......Look at any hospitals emergency room.....it's loaded with people who don't have healthcare policies but they will recieve services....they will not be allowed to die......and they won't pay........I believe the healthcare institutions here are more generous than other companies....companies that aren't going to let you walk out the door without paying....(and by the way , there's nothing wrong with expecting payment for services rendered. It's how you stay in business)...........so people can get health care even if theyt can't pay.....You want to trade this for a "cradle to grave situation" where the gov't takes care of everything you can't and by the way....remember....A GOVERNMENT THAT IS BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED IS ABLE TO TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE.

dude, you are giving me a political line and a slogan when every year American citizens young and old die because they or their caregivers simply can not afford to pay for their treatment and/or surgery


the number of uninsured and working Americans really is in the millions


our government needs to step up

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

No.

I am taught in American History about a time when American companies cared for Americans, respected it's employees and made decisions that would benefit their company-- to include the people that made up their company.

These American insurance companies would not exist if there was no Americans to make up America.

They couldn't make the money hand over fist in Russia or Mexico-- but they can in America!

So our country is in a crisis.

And as usual, no one wants to hold American businesses accountable for their unethical actions and decisions that negatively affect the country that made them who they are in the first place.

SO THEN, let the government, that same body that was elected for the people and by the people, let our government do something to help our fellow citizens.

What too many of my fellow GOP'ers fail to acknowledge is just how serious the health crisis is in our country.

Just like crime, there's a segment of our population that does not concern itself with the uncomfortable situations of our capitalist society until the roosters come home to roost and one of neighbor's kids gets hooked on crack or one of our relatives die needlessly because an insurance company had the power to allow a life saving surgery, but just didn't.

Where are the ethics in letting the citizens of the country that made you rich die because they can't afford your services?

Read former Democratic Senator Daschle's book ... he was BHO's choice for Health, but had to back out because of tax troubles.

The book is the blueprint for BHO's healthcare dream. I doubt you would be defending your boy and the administration's attempt at socialized healthcare if you read that book.

[oletime]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

dude, you are giving me a political line and a slogan when every year American citizens young and old die because they or their caregivers simply can not afford to pay for their treatment and/or surgery


the number of uninsured and working Americans really is in the millions


our government needs to step up

i wish it could work {my credit score would be 750 if it wasnt for my medical bills i was almost killed by an uninsured teenager, bills 40,000.00} but it wont i dont think because i have alot of family in canada and its horrible you can lay on a cot in a hallway for days because their is no room the people over there that are in need of emergency surgeries come over here if they can afford it or in one recent case a pastor friend of mine from there had to go to quebec from nb he couldnt wait any longer it was life or death.and now there has been a recent surge in private insurance companies over there. the insurance company lobbyests are just one of the ones that run capitol hill they will lobby it right out of existence. you vote the way the majority party tells you or you dont get anything passed that you want and you wont be relected as a result. ive seen it happen.