The Difference between PCI, PAJC and the New Heritage False Claiming Posers - Page 13

Baron1710 · #**121** 05-13-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

WHO does not believe Calvary's BLOOD forgives and remitts sins? All sin from Adam unto the judgment was forgiven at Calvary He died for all. However man must accept Christ's forgiveness purchased by His holy blood by obeying the gospel.
Jesus not the PAJC said "repentance and remission of sins MUST be preached in His Name BEGINNING a Jerusalem." Luke 24:47
And it was "Repent and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the Name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins." Acts 2:38
Thus from Pentecost until the present the only way for the penitent to recieve remission of sins is by being baptized in Jesus Name.
A person who has NOT been baptized in Jesus Name has not accepted the pardon extented by and through faith in the blood that remits!

If one is pardoned then there is no crime for which they can be accused, regardless of them "accepting" the pardon. One does not accept a pardon a pardon is given. So either you must be teaching universalism or you are saying that God unjustly sends a pardoned man to hell. Crakjak has converted you. How absurd to think that one would be allowed to remain in jail after being pardoned because they refuse to accept it. They would throw his butt out and lock the gate behind him.

Sister Alvear · #**122** 05-13-2009, 07:52 AM

Sometimes the wording of these posts are confusing.

Crossfire · #**123** 05-13-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

If one is pardoned then there is no crime for which they can be accused, regardless of them "accepting" the pardon. One does not accept a pardon a pardon is given. So either you must be teaching universalism or you are saying that God unjustly sends a pardoned man to hell. Crakjak has converted you. How absurd to think that one would be allowed to remain in jail after being pardoned because they refuse to accept it. They would throw his butt out and lock the gate behind him.

In Christ, man must accept the pardon offered through the Cross. Man's law cannot be used to interpret God's covenant of salvation with man. Salvation is pardon and pardon received. God offers and man accepts.

What Elder Epley proposes is not universalism. It is biblicism.

Baron1710 · #**124** 05-13-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Crossfire

In Christ, man must accept the pardon offered through the Cross. Man's law cannot be used to interpret God's covenant of salvation with man. Salvation is pardon and pardon received. God offers and man accepts.

What Elder Epley proposes is not universalism. It is biblicism.

Upon what basis do we change the definition of "Pardon"?

Crossfire · #**125** 05-13-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Upon what basis do we change the definition of "Pardon"?

Upon the basis that we are speaking in the terms of deity, not humanity. Pardon for us means that the penalty for sins has been paid for us, and we are cleared from all past sins guilt. We have been granted total liberty from the sins of our past.

Once again, we speak as men, and not as God in the idea of pardon.

But, how would you define define salvation as brought forth at Calvery for us?

Sister Alvear · #**126** 05-13-2009, 08:54 AM

God´s mercy is far greater than man´s mercy. I for one am deeply thankful fo His mercy and do not want to abuse it.

n david · #**127** 05-13-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

WHO does not believe Calvary's BLOOD forgives and remitts sins? All sin from Adam unto the judgment was forgiven at Calvary He died for all. However man must accept Christ's forgiveness purchased by His holy blood by obeying the gospel.
Jesus not the PAJC said "repentance and remission of sins MUST be preached in His Name BEGINNING a Jerusalem." Luke 24:47
And it was "Repent and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the Name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins." Acts 2:38
Thus from Pentecost until the present the only way for the penitent to recieve remission of sins is by being baptized in Jesus Name.
A person who has NOT been baptized in Jesus Name has not accepted the pardon extented by and through faith in the blood that remits!

ManOfWord · #**128** 05-13-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Crossfire

If one receives the Holy Ghost, one will see the need for baptism in Jesus name for the remission of sins. If they refuse and reject it, I believe the Holy Ghost will depart from an individual, and they, from then on, may be more led of the influence of emotionalism than anything else.

You are making a statement that does NOT fit with reality. There are far MORE who have received the HG who have NOT seen the need for Jesus' name baptism than who have seen the need for it. That is just a simple statement of fact.

There is absolutely NOTHING in scripture to that even hints to someone "losing" the HGB for not being baptized in Jesus' name or being baptized in the titles.

commonsense · #**129** 05-13-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by staysharp

I asked a famous UPC evangelist why God filled folks with the H.G. before baptism. He said, "they got it on loan." I'm dead serious and he was too.

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Just another curiousity....
I received the HG before I was baptized; I was raised in the UPCI.

As a teenager my husband received the HG before he was baptized and he had only gone to SS for a few months.

So we didn't actually receive the HG?
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This is what I was referencing...............

Sister Alvear · #**130** 05-13-2009, 11:09 AM

In Acts 10 they received the HG before baptism...