Funny. Women are capable of pastoring but men are not capable of having babies. Are there some men who are, perhaps, jealous? Women need men, even if men can't figure out why! LOL!
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Speaking of women preachers and babies.... Of the woman men of God I have observed, it is highly questionable whether some of them would have the ability to bear children.
I really did not need to go there... perhaps I should move this to the nursing thread.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Well if he is all knowing why not just call saints that will never backslide?
The problem is your post ignores one little fact....will.
Prax, you are ignoring the fact that when God called someone to do a specific job and they refused, He pretty much forced them to do it. Show me one example where He called someone and when they refused, He gave up and found someone else.
There is a difference in salvation that is a gift and a calling from God. Yes, both involve will, but when God wants something done, He'll make sure it gets done.
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Speaking of women preachers and babies.... Of the woman men of God I have observed, it is highly questionable whether some of them would have the ability to bear children.
I really did not need to go there... perhaps I should move this to the nursing thread.
eewww - you are in trouble now!
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While it did not actually happen, Moses was about to be replace by God's second choice, Aaron. If it had not been for the timely intervention of Zipporah, there would have been no story of Moses to retell throughout the ages. It would have been the story of Aaron the Law Giver.
Also note, Zipporah took authority over Moses as husband and head of the family and performed a "man's only responsibility".
Our God just does not fit into a box.
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Another "second choice" was the establishment of the Levitical priesthood.
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It makes no difference whether you study in the holy language, or in Arabic, or Aramaic [or in Greek or even in English]; it matters only whether it is done with understanding. - Moshe Maimonides.
While it did not actually happen, Moses was about to be replace by God's second choice, Aaron. If it had not been for the timely intervention of Zipporah, there would have been no story of Moses to retell throughout the ages. It would have been the story of Aaron the Law Giver.
Also note, Zipporah took authority over Moses as husband and head of the family and performed a "man's only responsibility".
Our God just does not fit into a box.
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Another "second choice" was the establishment of the Levitical priesthood.
The statement was made that God will choose a woman when a man won't step up to the call. Not only does this make God sound like He's choosing second-class over first-class, but it makes Him not all-powerful. I don't believe Moses was about to be replaced. God is all-knowing as well, and He knew that Moses would do what He called him to do, even though He had to use some persuasion to get the job done, as He did many times in scripture.
But I still don't see a single instance where God called someone to do a work, and when they refused to 'step-up', He chose someone else....or even a woman to do the job instead.
However, I do find in scripture where God used both men and women to do His calling, and when those folks didn't 'step-up', He did some persuasive moves to help their positive decisions along...LOL! But nowhere do we find Him giving up and settling someone else, not even for what some might make it sound as a lesser person to do the job.
However, I'm interested in knowing who didn't do their job that warranted God setting up the priesthood to do it for them. Forgive me, as I'm tired and not putting words together right, but I'm truly interested in how that got started.
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However, I'm interested in knowing who didn't do their job that warranted God setting up the priesthood to do it for them. Forgive me, as I'm tired and not putting words together right, but I'm truly interested in how that got started.
My pleasure, sis.
God’s original intent was to have the first born male of each family to be a priest unto Him. However, because of some problems with a cow at Mt. Sinai (Exodus 32 ), God revoked that plan and substituted the one tribe that rallied to Him, the Levites - and He made them a tribe of priests unto Himself.
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Exodus 13:2 Sanctify unto me all the first-born, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.
Numbers 3:12-13 And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the first-born that openeth the womb among the children of Israel; and the Levites shall be mine: for all the first-born are mine; on the day that I smote all the first-born in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the first-born in Israel, both man and beast; mine they shall be: I am Jehovah.
Numbers 8:18 And I have taken the Levites instead of all the first-born among the children of Israel.
Even so, the first born remained God’s, and he had to be redeemed from the service of God, even though he had been rejected from service. Later, the redemption requirement (sacrifice at the Temple) would even include the very son of God! See Luke 2:21-24
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Numbers 18:15 Everything that openeth the womb, of all flesh which they offer unto Jehovah, both of man and beast shall be thine: nevertheless the first-born of man shalt thou surely redeem, and the firstling of unclean beasts shalt thou redeem.
An additional interesting insight into the wilderness experience includes the story about how Moses got God to change His mind concerning the future of His chosen people, and why today the Jews call Abraham ”the father of their nation”, rather than Moses. Everyone really should take some time and read through the Torah, Psalms and the prophets with Jesus on their mind.
Sister, I hope you found this small offering useful.
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It makes no difference whether you study in the holy language, or in Arabic, or Aramaic [or in Greek or even in English]; it matters only whether it is done with understanding. - Moshe Maimonides.
God’s original intent was to have the first born male of each family to be a priest unto Him. However, because of some problems with a cow at Mt. Sinai (Exodus 32 ), God revoked that plan and substituted the one tribe that rallied to Him, the Levites - and He made them a tribe of priests unto Himself.
Even so, the first born remained God’s, and he had to be redeemed from the service of God, even though he had been rejected from service. Later, the redemption requirement (sacrifice at the Temple) would even include the very son of God! See Luke 2:21-24
An additional interesting insight into the wilderness experience includes the story about how Moses got God to change His mind concerning the future of His chosen people, and why today the Jews call Abraham ”the father of their nation”, rather than Moses. Everyone really should take some time and read through the Torah, Psalms and the prophets with Jesus on their mind.
Sister, I hope you found this small offering useful.
Oh, thanks so much, really! I found it quite interesting, having never heard that before. I intent to read more about that and the reasoning behind that decision. I have always wondered why God changed His mind so much in the OT and not anywhere else. But that's another thread..LOL!
Again, thanks a bunch, my friend.
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Prax, you are ignoring the fact that when God called someone to do a specific job and they refused, He pretty much forced them to do it. Show me one example where He called someone and when they refused, He gave up and found someone else.
There is a difference in salvation that is a gift and a calling from God. Yes, both involve will, but when God wants something done, He'll make sure it gets done.
King Saul. He replaced his first choice with King David.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
In the early 1930's, it was two mothers who obeyed God in repenting, being baptized
in Jesus Name, for the remission of their sins, and God filled them with the Holy Ghost,
evidenced by speaking in tongues. It was not the fathers, but the mothers that said YES to Jesus! Obeying the gospel
that has now been passed on from generation to generation. Five and ready to go
into the sixth.
No, it wasn't the men but the women who answered the call to be a child of GOD!
ONE was my paternal grandmother and the other was my maternal grandmother!
One from each of their families, a man and a woman, who had also received the Holy
Ghost experience, was my late parents. My late father was the first "male" in our
family to obey the Apostolic message of truth!
Our son in law, married to our middle daughter, pastors the church our late father and
mother founded in 1958. His late Great-grandmother, his late grandmother and her sister,
all came out of the Assemblies of God over 60 yrs ago and obeyed this Apostolic truth.
He is the first of his family to have a "man" obey the gospel. It wasn't his grandfather,
but his grandmother, who obeyed and lived an example to this boy and now a full time
preacher (pastor) of the gospel, a husband and dedicated father of four. His eldest son
is a 15 1/2 yr. old, anointed of God, and being called to be faithful also. Another genera-
tion of TRUTH! TRUTH that sets men FREE, who will believe it!!
Teamwork WILL make the DREAM work! BUT IF he won't do his part, SHE WILL, and CAN
DO IT with GOD"S HELP!! It has been proven to be true! Wise women still seek HIM!
The apostle Paul knew that young Timothy had faith in God because he first saw it in
his grandmother Lois and in his mother, Eunice! He believed it to be in young Timothy
too! Paul wasn't nobody's dummy! And neither are we women! In Christ there is
.....! There are many faithful men who have also obeyed the gospel of Jesus Christ
since those early beginnings.
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