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Old 04-29-2009, 04:37 PM
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Who are those angels in chains?
I believe they are demon spirits in bondage and unable to ever be redeemed or saved. Doomed for the lake of fire without release of any kind ever.
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Old 04-29-2009, 04:45 PM
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Re: Angels and their ability to sin

a warning to you ladies,

if you trim your hair,

you are not only damning your soul,

and forfeiting your salvation,

but, even worse,

you are tempting more angels to sin



at least that's how some teach about the 11th chapter of 1 Corinthians.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:15 AM
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so... who are the "sons of God"
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:32 AM
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so... who are the "sons of God"
Some believe the "sons of God" were angels who had sex with women and produced a race/species of beings who were half human and half angel. Some times this is linked with the "serpent seed" doctrine that all around us are people who came from sexual union of satan and eve and these people are the "seed" of the serpent/satan.

Others believe the sons of God are those who are first mentioned in Genesis 4:26 as those who "called upon the name of YHWH" or those who "called themselves by the name of YHWH." In other words, those who believed that YHWH was the true God and who worshipped Him. This lineage goes on in Genesis chapter 5 through Seth, Enos and down to Noah at the end of chapter 5. Then in chapter 6 there was a breakdown in the separation of God's children as they intermarried with those who worshiped other gods. So the "sons of God" were those from the God fearing group and the "daughters of men" were those from the group who had turned from YHWH to other gods. (ref 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; 7:1)
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Can angels ride motorcycles?
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so... who are the "sons of God"
I believe the context reveals it:

First, Cain was banished from God's people.
Genesis 4:16 KJV And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Seth replaced Abel, the slain brother.
Genesis 4:25 KJV And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Adam and Eve had many more sons and daughters, none of which were banished as Cain was.
Genesis 5:4 KJV And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
And people spread and multiplied.

Note the words at the start of Gen 6.
Genesis 6:1-2 KJV And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
After having separated from the rest of the family, Cain was outside the presence of the Lord. Being away from God's presence by being cast out implies the rest of the family remained in the presence of the Lord. So those in God's presence would be the SONS OF GOD. And those outside were categorized as simply men. And as time passed, and Gen 6 explicitly stated that men multiplied on the face of the earth, it only stands to reason that the two separated groups would converge and meet.

The people of God included men who were called "sons of God". The people of Cain included "daughters of men". The bible already showed a godly man following after an ungodly woman when Adam disobeyed God by following Eve's sin in eating forbidden fruit. This theme carries onward with Ahab following wicked Jezebel, and even with Abram choosing the way of the flesh in following Sarai's advice to take Hagar to beget a child. We even see this as follows:
Numbers 25:1-3 KJV And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. (2) And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. (3) And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
Similarly, the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 were Adam's family who remained with God's presence who desired the female descendants of Cain, called the "daughters of men", not daughters of God.

This unholy union of believers in God and sinful women once again caused trouble.

There is nothing sensational about it, as though angels procreated with human females, for the Lord said this is impossible.
Matthew 22:30 KJV For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
I agree with what Sam said:

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Others believe the sons of God are those who are first mentioned in Genesis 4:26 as those who "called upon the name of YHWH" or those who "called themselves by the name of YHWH." In other words, those who believed that YHWH was the true God and who worshipped Him. This lineage goes on in Genesis chapter 5 through Seth, Enos and down to Noah at the end of chapter 5. Then in chapter 6 there was a breakdown in the separation of God's children as they intermarried with those who worshiped other gods. So the "sons of God" were those from the God fearing group and the "daughters of men" were those from the group who had turned from YHWH to other gods. (ref 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; 7:1)
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Where did those "other people" come from? Did God initially create more than just Adam and Eve? Apparently those "other people" were not Adam and Eve's children.
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Where did those "other people" come from? Did God initially create more than just Adam and Eve? Apparently those "other people" were not Adam and Eve's children.
They would have been descended from Adam and Eve and their children.
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Where did those "other people" come from? Did God initially create more than just Adam and Eve? Apparently those "other people" were not Adam and Eve's children.
Sure they were Adam and Eve's descendants. By the time Gen 6 rolled around Adam and Eve and their children and their children's children would have multiplied greatly.
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This is the part that's puzzling to me:


Genesis 4
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1Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, "I have gotten[a] a man with the help of the LORD." 2And again, she bore his brother Abel
. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground. 3In the course of time Cain brought to the LORD an offering of(A) the fruit of the ground, 4and Abel also brought of(B) the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD(C) had regard for Abel and his offering, 5but(D) for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell. 6The LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? 7(E) If you do well, will you not be accepted?[b] And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door.(F) Its desire is for[c] you, but you must rule over it."

8Cain spoke to Abel his brother.[d] And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel and(G) killed him. 9Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" He said,(H) "I do not know; am I my brother’s keeper?" 10And the LORD said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood(I) is crying to me from the ground. 11And now(J) you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12When you work the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength. You shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth." 13Cain said to the LORD, "My(K) punishment is greater than I can bear.[e] 14Behold,(L) you have driven me today away from the ground, and(M) from your face I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth,(N) and whoever finds me will kill me." 15Then the LORD said to him, "Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him(O) sevenfold." And the LORD(P) put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him. 16Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD and settled in the land of Nod,[f] east of Eden.


It just says that Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel.... no mention of other offspring at that point, and yet when Cain gets sent out "into the world", it's full of people who will want to kill him.

Why does it only mention Cain and Abel, and yet the earth is full of people?

Later it mentions that they had Seth.
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