Bloodless Jihad

[Sam]

I have no idea how accurate these numbers are, but they are scary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

[A.W. Bowman]

I have seen similar numbers before. The numbers don't have to been accurate (or even close) in order to illustrate the true "trend" in the world population shift. Even if it is overstated, the trend is still there - and increasing. If the trend is understated, then the call to action is even more urgent.

[Walks_in_islam]

What action would that be sir? Do you portend to offer something, anything, that is better or desirable?

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

What action would that be sir? Do you portend to offer something, anything, that is better or desirable?

Yes, sharing the truth of the gospel of the kingdom of God with everyone who will receive it.

[Walks_in_islam]

OH. Muslims have secret ways to shift demographics. Let me help you get started:

First - contact with needy sinners is a must. A list of good ways to be in contact with needy sinners:

Start free clinics from your churches. Lots of converts to the Muslim faith come through their free community clinics staffed with doctors and nurses who volunteer their services.

Start free legal services from your churches. The Muslim community offers free or discounted legal services to those in trouble who need it. Those who need legal services are often most in need of God in their lives. They become converts and subsequently work to help others like them.

Start a food program from your church kitchens (disclaimer: one that does not involve your own swelled bellies) That may involve letting dirty, poor people into your churches. That probably means your church probably needs to be relocated to where the dirty, poor people are located. Perhaps near catholic churches in poor areas who for years have sponsored such charities.

Start a free funeral program from your churches. Often those most in need are those who have suffered a recent significant loss.

To do this, instead of lining pockets and improving your properties, start a funeral fund, a legal fund, a food fund, and a clinic fund. While you bash Muslims on this site Muslims are quietly funding these and other programs in your major cities. You can start to change demographics by doing similar good work in your communities too.

There. The secret is out. I have NO worries about a change in the demographic shift. There is chance of a snowball you know where that a typical church would even consider these things (laughing).

PS: No market for the "gospel of profit". I guess by the 'tone' of your post you probably know that though.

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Yes, sharing the truth of the gospel of the kingdom of God with everyone who will receive it.

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

OH. Muslims have secret ways to shift demographics. Let me help you get started:

There. The secret is out. I have NO worries about a change in the demographic shift. There is chance of a snowball you know where that a typical church would even consider these things (laughing).

PS: No market for the "gospel of profit". I guess by the 'tone' of your post you probably know that though.

I will break my personal rule of not engaging in one - on - one; charge/counter charge exchanges with this single post.

From the response, it would seem as though I had accused the Muslims of some secret conspiracy and/or hidden exercise of power to attack the church from both within and without. Of course I didn't - but that really doesn't matter, does it? It is only the leveling of false charges (smoke screens) that matters.

As to all of the wonderful things the Muslims do. Granted!

Should the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Baha'i, Shinto, Unitarian, Zoroastrianism, Sikhism, etc, etc, do more "good works"? Most likely. But, one religion that might give the Muslim"good works"group a run for their money would be the Roman Catholic Church. Come to think of it, these are more historical similarities between the two religions besides "good works", isn't there?

Which brings me to a couple personal questions, if you don't mind: You see, I really have no idea how to respond to your post because I have no idea what your purpose is for being here or what it is you hope to achieve.

While I have brought the religion of Islam into question, I have never, to my knowledge, attacked you or your personal beliefs. Even so, as the demographics change, there is a very real threat to the rest of the world's religious systems, including mine. And as to the rest of the religions loosing out because of Islams "good work" projects, there is some truth to that claim. But, the bottom line is: Gaining converts by giving them "freebies" is really just offering them bribes. Of course, it works, but sooner or later, bribes fail when the immediate need is satisfied (the continual need for more bribes).

The hook,when it is set, comes with a very hard lesson. Remove the hook and you are marked for death.

So, are you here to make converts or are you here to be converted?

[Walks_in_islam]

I am quite hurt! (not really)

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

I will break my personal rule of not engaging in one - on - one; charge/counter charge exchanges with this single post.

From the response, it would seem as though I had accused the Muslims of some secret conspiracy and/or hidden exercise of power to attack the church from both within and without. Of course I didn't - but that really doesn't matter, does it? It is only the leveling of false charges (smoke screens) that matters.

I did not read it that way at all. I actually thought your "call to action" as you put it was sincere. I offered what I sincerely believed to be helpful (at the same time also believing to be wasted) suggestions to you for actual contact with actual sinners to get you started. There was no hidden agenda. These are real actions that have positive effect on real people in real need in real communities. These suggestions appear to have caused you distaste. I must confess to you that I did in some way both expect and predict that distaste. I briefly forgot that "calls to action" can win you a nobel prize in today's world as opposed to action itself. Actual actions have lower value. Please accept my apology if you feel misinterpreted or if that Nobel is too heavy.

As to all of the wonderful things the Muslims do. Granted!

Should the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Baha'i, Shinto, Unitarian, Zoroastrianism, Sikhism, etc, etc, do more "good works"? Most likely. But, one religion that might give the Muslim"good works"group a run for their money would be the Roman Catholic Church. Come to think of it, these are more historical similarities between the two religions besides "good works", isn't there?

You know, in the case of feeding the homeless and hungry, I even referenced that Catholic thing for you. (backing in my perceptive cleverness) But you would have thought of that anyway I am sure.

Which brings me to a couple personal questions, if you don't mind: You see, I really have no idea how to respond to your post because I have no idea what your purpose is for being here or what it is you hope to achieve.

a neutral response would be "Hey, this may work. I do not agree with you on a political or religious basis but these suggestions may give me a way to convey my message to real sinners in need". Predicted reaction sadly is exactly as noted and stands for itself. No other personal gain for me. alas.

While I have brought the religion of Islam into question, I have never, to my knowledge, attacked you or your personal beliefs. Even so, as the demographics change, there is a very real threat to the rest of the world's religious systems, including mine. And as to the rest of the religions loosing out because of Islams "good work" projects, there is some truth to that claim. But, the bottom line is: Gaining converts by giving them "freebies" is really just offering them bribes. Of course, it works, but sooner or later, bribes fail when the immediate need is satisfied (the continual need for more bribes).

Re-worded and interpreted as "converting the needy is not profitable". Of course this directly contradicts the teachings of Jesus himself but where does all that dusty stuff fit into today's world anyway, right? Note I did not attack either you OR your personal beliefs. Your answer DOES settle the nagging snowball question (I had a whisp of doubt). Thank you for your response.

The hook,when it is set, comes with a very hard lesson. Remove the hook and you are marked for death.

"fisher of men" and all that stuff? Fish where there is NEED!

So, are you here to make converts or are you here to be converted?

I am here for neither. I am here to hold up a (highly resented) mirror so that when you point to others you may see your own fingers pointing back at yourselves. It is becoming a highly amusing past-time though I have actually come over time to respect a few of you. Someday I'll log on to the sight of torches and pitchforks and that will be the end of that. (laughing) All things must end. re-alas

[A.W. Bowman]

Thank you for your considered reply. I must admit that you provided a better, more insightful response than I was expecting. So again, thank you.

Now I know why you are here and how to better respond to your posts.

[Walks_in_islam]

Always a pleasure. Best to you and yours.

WII

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Thank you for your considered reply. I must admit that you provided a better, more insightful response than I was expecting. So again, thank you.

Now I know why you are here and how to better respond to your posts.