Apology to World

[Walks_in_islam]

It's Boeing.

Currently most of the new technology comes from Asia. Where technology is being developed with greater efficiency and lower cost than it is being developed in the US. What was done 50 years ago is currently irrelevent.

To give credit where due: Without doubt and for no purpose but profit the "peaceful christian" nations happily defecate guns, bullets, planes, bombs, tanks, armed choppers, and other toys all over the world to any "militant" who wants to buy some. Muslim countries, as you yourself state, appear to not have spent as much time and energy developing cool and efficient ways to kill people as the "peaceful christian" nations have.

Certainly some of the the best gifts to the world from the "peaceful christian" nations are the Osamas who are trained, funded, propped up, supplied, and subsequently defecated onto other nations for no purpose but political expediency. aka "peaceful christian" nations have enemies but choose the option of leaving their droppings behind over directly confronting said enemies. This can, perhaps, probably (and cleverly) be referred to as a "seagull" approach to world affairs. When it results in consequences, the "peaceful christian" nations stand up, bray, and point to a religion that neither developed, initiated, nor spread these things around the world.

The world, (especially the innocent who reside on its surface) of course, without doubt should be thankful to the "peaceful christian" nations for these and other gifts. Were they thankful and even grateful perhaps no apology would be necessary.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Islamic airlines are probably flying Boengs, flying f-16s and either shooting Russian made AK 47s or American M-16s. The technology that put money in their pockets from oil came from British, American and recently Russian technology. Do Muslims use Apples or PCs or did they invent their own personal computer based on their own CPUs?

Medicine from the Quran?
"Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle

The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease." (Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)

[Walks_in_islam]

As is Islam. Individual. The mosques in the US have many Americans who were born in America, raised in America, and have embraced Islam. They are patriotic Americans who work, live, pay taxes, and follow the laws in America. The country that has the highest Muslim population is not in the middle east. It is Indonesia, who fought the Dutch for independence just as we fought the British. Indonesia is a democracy and is one of our trading partners as well as a staunch ally. I find Indonesia to be an extremely capitalist society. Turkey is a Muslim country (98%) and has been a member of NATO for years. So, is your perception clouded by your ignorance of world affairs or is your head just full of (unwarranted) hate and bigotry towards people of Muslim faith?

Originally Posted by coadie

Christianity is individual. It is a person, one at a time that is born again. Christianity is not a society or a culture. It is a personal walk with the LORD

The Muslim faith is a blend of religion, culture, politics etc. You are born into it or forced into it. It is impossible to be drawn into it by a prophet who has no power and never did and has been dead for a long time. When we become born again, some people find a sudden distatse for drugs. They get delivered.

supply demand, macroeconomic theory are beyond the conceptual world of Muslims. they need a democracy for starters and wouldn't know how to act in one. Capitalism is not a middle Eastern phenomena.

It had been long ago with traveling traders.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

It's Boeing.

Currently most of the new technology comes from Asia. Where technology is being developed with greater efficiency and lower cost than it is being developed in the US. What was done 50 years ago is currently irrelevent.

To give credit where due: Without doubt and for no purpose but profit the "peaceful christian" nations happily defecate guns, bullets, planes, bombs, tanks, armed choppers, and other toys all over the world to any "militant" who wants to buy some. Muslim countries, as you yourself state, appear to not have spent as much time and energy developing cool and efficient ways to kill people as the "peaceful christian" nations have.

Certainly some of the the best gifts to the world from the "peaceful christian" nations are the Osamas who are trained, funded, propped up, supplied, and subsequently defecated onto other nations for no purpose but political expediency. aka "peaceful christian" nations have enemies but choose the option of leaving their droppings behind over directly confronting said enemies. This can, perhaps, probably (and cleverly) be referred to as a "seagull" approach to world affairs. When it results in consequences, the "peaceful christian" nations stand up, bray, and point to a religion that neither developed, initiated, nor spread these things around the world.

The world, (especially the innocent who reside on its surface) of course, without doubt should be thankful to the "peaceful christian" nations for these and other gifts. Were they thankful and even grateful perhaps no apology would be necessary.

0-2 years of age. Early in your development, all of your desires were oriented towards your lips and your mouth, which accepted food, milk, and anything else you could get your hands on (the oral phase). The first object of this stage was, of course, the mother's breast, which could be transferred to auto-erotic objects (thumb-sucking). The mother thus logically became your first "love-object," already a displacement from the earlier object of desire (the breast). When you first recognized the fact of your father, you dealt with him by identifying yourself with him; however, as the sexual wishes directed to your mother grew in intensity, you became possessive of your mother and secretly wished your father out of the picture (the Oedipus complex). This Oedipus complex plays out throughout the next two phases of development.

2-4 years of age. Following the oral phase, you entered the sadistic-anal phase, which is split between active and passive impulses: the impulse to mastery on the one hand, which can easily become cruelty; the impulse to scopophilia (love of gazing), on the other hand. This phase was roughly coterminous with a new auto-erotic object: the rectal orifice (hence, the term "sadistic-anal phase"). According to Freud, the child's pleasure in defecation is connected to his or her pleasure in creating something of his or her own, a pleasure that for women is later transferred to child-bearing.


Are you stunted in psycho sexual development?

[Walks_in_islam]

It is possible that I am. As you immediately zeroed in on and subsequently provided a treatise on this term it also could be possible that I correctly chose my words with empathetic consideration for the perceived development and understanding of my audience. You, as in everything, may consider yourself free to choose which option is correct, with the understanding that your choice effects no outcomes, makes no difference, and has no basis on the subject or topic at hand. You are obviously well-versed and well-trained in the subject of both tractors and defecation. This is a start. If you buy some seeds you can now plant and grow stuff.

Originally Posted by coadie

0-2 years of age. Early in your development, all of your desires were oriented towards your lips and your mouth, which accepted food, milk, and anything else you could get your hands on (the oral phase). The first object of this stage was, of course, the mother's breast, which could be transferred to auto-erotic objects (thumb-sucking). The mother thus logically became your first "love-object," already a displacement from the earlier object of desire (the breast). When you first recognized the fact of your father, you dealt with him by identifying yourself with him; however, as the sexual wishes directed to your mother grew in intensity, you became possessive of your mother and secretly wished your father out of the picture (the Oedipus complex). This Oedipus complex plays out throughout the next two phases of development.

2-4 years of age. Following the oral phase, you entered the sadistic-anal phase, which is split between active and passive impulses: the impulse to mastery on the one hand, which can easily become cruelty; the impulse to scopophilia (love of gazing), on the other hand. This phase was roughly coterminous with a new auto-erotic object: the rectal orifice (hence, the term "sadistic-anal phase"). According to Freud, the child's pleasure in defecation is connected to his or her pleasure in creating something of his or her own, a pleasure that for women is later transferred to child-bearing.


Are you stunted in psycho sexual development?

[MissBrattified]

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

As is Islam. Individual. The mosques in the US have many Americans who were born in America, raised in America, and have embraced Islam. They are patriotic Americans who work, live, pay taxes, and follow the laws in America. The country that has the highest Muslim population is not in the middle east. It is Indonesia, who fought the Dutch for independence just as we fought the British. Indonesia is a democracy and is one of our trading partners as well as a staunch ally. I find Indonesia to be an extremely capitalist society. Turkey is a Muslim country (98%) and has been a member of NATO for years. So, is your perception clouded by your ignorance of world affairs or is your head just full of (unwarranted) hate and bigotry towards people of Muslim faith?

Walks_in_islam- I am very curious what interest you have in an Apostolic site. I would like to know about your background so I understand what we might share in common.

For the record; I have had a number of Muslims as dinner guests in my home (individuals whom I have a great deal of respect for).

I have learned some things along the way and would like to comment on some of your posts once I better understand your motivation. Thanks.

[Walks_in_islam]

Truthfully, I was browsing something else and somehow there was a hit on "christianity vs islam" which is a topic on another part of the site. I read those topics before joining. Most of them were out-of-context quotes from various parts of the Quran and other writings followed by scathing comments about Islam and Muslims in general. Since there only appeared to be one side, I joined with the intention of sharing the (5) basic pillars of Islam and perhaps pointing out some similarities between Islam and the Christian faith.

Who knows that at least some read this and in the least realize that Muslims in general work, raise kids, pay taxes, and pretty much make the monthly bills like everyone else. Perhaps even viewing Muslims as people with families may restrain at least one person from screeching "raghead" from their truck window. Honestly my faith in that is probably misguided.

Most of the Muslims that I have met, (fortunately none of the "newsworthy" ones who manage to make the news engaging in very stupid, unacceptable, and un-Muslim activities usually against other Muslims) pretty much get by like everyone else while following a pretty conservative lifestyle.

Some posts, like the original one in this particular topic are actually made for the purpose of sharing what I have found to be a different viewpoint of the world towards us (Americans) than we think they have or should have - and since because we share the world with others we should probably consider their viewpoints and consider the consequences of our actions around the world and who those actions effect.

Other posts are just flippant - to be honest - they make my wife giggle and that's all the personal reward I get out of it.

I was raised in the South. I work in the Mideast. My parents were not Muslim by any means lol. That's pretty much it.

Originally Posted by Newman

Walks_in_islam- I am very curious what interest you have in an Apostolic site. I would like to know about your background so I understand what we might share in common.

For the record; I have had a number of Muslims as dinner guests in my home (individuals whom I have a great deal of respect for).

I have learned some things along the way and would like to comment on some of your posts once I better understand your motivation. Thanks.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Who knows that at least some read this and in the least realize that Muslims in general work, raise kids, pay taxes, and pretty much make the monthly bills like everyone else. Perhaps even viewing Muslims as people with families may restrain at least one person from screeching "raghead" from their truck window. Honestly my faith in that is probably misguided.

Most of the Muslims that I have met, (fortunately none of the "newsworthy" ones who manage to make the news engaging in very stupid, unacceptable, and un-Muslim activities usually against other Muslims) pretty much get by like everyone else while following a pretty conservative lifestyle.

It sounds like we have similar experiences with some of the Muslims in America. My son's very good friend from high school was raised as a Muslim and I couldn't have been happier that was who my son was running around with. My son's moral values were more aligned with the Muslim students than many of the other students at his school.

Were you raised in a Christian family or was your family more or less indifferent to religion? When and why did you become Muslim? And what of your wife? Thanks.

[Walks_in_islam]

My family was very conservative christian. My wife is Muslim and from a Muslim family. She went to Catholic high school and christian private school in Jakarta (coincidentally) near where Obama also attended school. We married in Jakarta. She is not American but has PR status in the US. It is true that Muslim moral values and lifestyle is what drew me to that faith. Also since her family is Muslim the strength and structure of the Muslim family is also something that I was drawn to and admire. The teachings are more in line with what I was taught when young than what churches teach today. A few years ago I knew very little about Islam. Most of what I know was taught to me in the Mosques in Houston where I have been living and working the last few years.

There are many like me there. I can state as fact that I have never heard a bad word about this country there and indeed would not tolerate for a minute any hint or suggestion of the militant BS that is going on here and there in the world under the umbrella of "Islam". What I did hear was a fear of losing the children to the lifestyle of their peers outside the Muslim faith but for the most part the kids there were extremely respectful of the Mosque, adults, and teachers there. The message to parents was consistantly to be an example to the children and follow the basics while they see you follow them or they will drift outside the faith and be lost to all the seemingly cool stuff that is out there to be lost in.

(Now i'm probably going to be e-executed for these words alas)

Originally Posted by Newman

It sounds like we have similar experiences with some of the Muslims in America. My son's very good friend from high school was raised as a Muslim and I couldn't have been happier that was who my son was running around with. My son's moral values were more aligned with the Muslim students than many of the other students at his school.

Were you raised in a Christian family or was your family more or less indifferent to religion? When and why did you become Muslim? And what of your wife? Thanks.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

My family was very conservative christian. My wife is Muslim and from a Muslim family. She went to Catholic high school and christian private school in Jakarta (coincidentally) near where Obama also attended school. We married in Jakarta. She is not American but has PR status in the US. It is true that Muslim moral values and lifestyle is what drew me to that faith. Also since her family is Muslim the strength and structure of the Muslim family is also something that I was drawn to and admire. The teachings are more in line with what I was taught when young than what churches teach today. A few years ago I knew very little about Islam. Most of what I know was taught to me in the Mosques in Houston where I have been living and working the last few years.

There are many like me there. I can state as fact that I have never heard a bad word about this country there and indeed would not tolerate for a minute any hint or suggestion of the militant BS that is going on here and there in the world under the umbrella of "Islam". What I did hear was a fear of losing the children to the lifestyle of their peers outside the Muslim faith but for the most part the kids there were extremely respectful of the Mosque, adults, and teachers there. The message to parents was consistantly to be an example to the children and follow the basics while they see you follow them or they will drift outside the faith and be lost to all the seemingly cool stuff that is out there to be lost in.

(Now i'm probably going to be e-executed for these words alas)

I have appreciated reading your posts and I don't mean to interfere in this conversation. I feel it is necessary to point out to you, although you are probably aware, that many people call themselves "Christians" because they simply believe there is a God. It is a loose term being used and has been used in that way for a very long time. There is a vast difference between "religion" and "Christianity". Unfortunately, the world sees "religion" more than they see the fundamentals of "Christianity".

To actually be a "Christian" is to follow the principles of Christianity and be a true follower of Jesus Christ.

I would also like to point out that neither the "Christian" nor the "Muslim" faiths have perfect examples of followers. Before I surrendered my life to God, I dated and hung around with Muslims in Austin, Texas who had a never ending supply of money and Cocaine. I felt I needed to point that out - to be fair to your characterization of the Christian faith alone..