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No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
Those of you that are uncomfortable in speaking of the pre-existing Sonship of Christ, how do you read Hebrews 1 - especially verse 2?
2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
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03-28-2009, 10:17 PM
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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
He pre-existed but NOT as Son. The Son was only in existance in the Mind and PLan of God before Bethlehem.
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03-28-2009, 10:19 PM
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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
He pre-existed but NOT as Son. The Son was only in existance in the Mind and PLan of God before Bethlehem.
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Does it not state through the Son, God created the universe?
It's the language of scripture is it not?
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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03-28-2009, 10:24 PM
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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
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Does it not state through the Son, God created the universe?
It's the language of scripture is it not?
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The President was a community organizer in Chicago however he was NOT acting as President when he was doing that.
Thus it is with the language here the Son created all thing BECAUSE Jesus the Creator has become the Son however He was NOT the Son when He was creating.
The language is simple.
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03-28-2009, 10:28 PM
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Cross-examine it!
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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
The President was a community organizer in Chicago however he was NOT acting as President when he was doing that.
Thus it is with the language here the Son created all thing BECAUSE Jesus the Creator has become the Son however He was NOT the Son when He was creating.
The language is simple.
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Jesus doesn't act as the Son he IS the Son.
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03-28-2009, 10:30 PM
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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
The President was a community organizer in Chicago however he was NOT acting as President when he was doing that.
Thus it is with the language here the Son created all thing BECAUSE Jesus the Creator has become the Son however He was NOT the Son when He was creating.
The language is simple.
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Very well then...
Why is it that it seems many OPs appear uncomfortable saying the God created all things through His Son?
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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03-28-2009, 10:32 PM
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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
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Very well then...
Why is it that it seems many OPs appear uncomfortable saying the God created all things through His Son?
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Because if the Son existed as a separate being from the Father before the incarnation that makes Oneness doctrine null and void.
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03-28-2009, 10:35 PM
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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
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Jesus doesn't act as the Son he IS the Son.
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No fuss here.
However the latin was 'form' in Phil 2 is en morphe which is a mask like an actor wears. 
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03-28-2009, 10:35 PM
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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
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Because if the Son existed as a separate being from the Father before the incarnation that makes Oneness doctrine null and void.
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I am, of course, not asking anyone to insert terms like persons or separate beings...
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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03-28-2009, 10:36 PM
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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Because if the Son existed as a separate being from the Father before the incarnation that makes Oneness doctrine null and void.
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