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Old 03-22-2009, 05:59 PM
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Re: The Fed Printed $1.5 Trillion to Pay Debt

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The US used to be the greatest lender nation in the world. We were the head and not the tail as we stood on the foundation of God's word.

Then we took God out of our schools, courts, politics, banking, etc. Now it appears that we may be the greatest debtor nation in the world. We are now the tail and not the head. We have forsaken His ways and are paying for it just as His word predicts nations will do!
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:58 AM
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Re: The Fed Printed $1.5 Trillion to Pay Debt

If the state is printiing money. that means we do not have debt increase.

The US mint prints money and it is not true that 1.5 trillion has been printed for this current mess.

If you all look up M1, M2, and M3 , look at over night depositoires, measure some other numbers, you can get a feel for what has been expanded. By the way just for the record, Showman Obmaa has mode some spending promises in the $1.5 trillioon that won't kick in for several years.

It would benefit you all a bunch if you alll took a couple 3 Econ classes and that would help sort thru the daily baloney they pump out.
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:33 AM
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Re: The Fed Printed $1.5 Trillion to Pay Debt

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Mr/Ms. ILG:

If you google news on "Quantitative Easing" you might find what Mr. Deacon Blues is trying to reference. To the non-economist, quantitative easing, may appear to "printing more money", however, that would be an ill-informed rudimentary explanation.

Quantitative easing, can be defined as "the creation of a pre-determined quantity of new money 'out of thin air'[1] through open market operations by a central bank as the start of a process to increase the money supply. It can, more simply, be understood as an indirect method of printing money. This new money is injected into the private banking system when the accounts of the vendors of the securities purchased by the central bank through the open market operations are credited."

Here is a Wiki article that I hope will provide some background knowledge about the theory behind the Feds and Bernake's latest attempt to buy some time for our stagnating economy.

Also here is a youtube video that explains the practice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKQP_wSO9k



Although, I agree with Mr. Blues that this is unprecedented in the U.S. and has an element of risk to creating hyperinflation; by definition it is an attempt to manipulate the "free market" by combating deflation, a problem the U.S. economy is facing. The Fed, as you may or may not know, already has it's hands in the open markets operations controlling interest rates.

It should be noted that Japan, England and the EU have utilized quantative easing in the recent past. Data is still being assessed concerning the effectiveness of this practice; some say it has helped, others say it has had a negative effect. while others say the effect is dependent of other factors.

Moreover, I do not think Mr. Blues reactionary historical comparisons of this practice are directly analogous to the actual printing of money by the Weimar Republic, post WWII, for many reasons. One reason is because this is not direct printing and another is the scope.

Germany went through its worst inflation in 1923. In 1922, the highest denomination was 50,000 Mark. By 1923, the highest denomination was 100,000,000,000,000 Mark. In December 1923 the exchange rate was 4,200,000,000,000 Marks to 1 US dollar.In 1923, the rate of inflation hit 3.25 × 106 percent per month (prices double every two days). Beginning on November 20, 1923, 1,000,000,000,000 old Marks were exchanged for 1 Rentenmark[14] so that 4.2 Rentenmarks were worth 1 US dollar, exactly the same rate the Mark had in 1914. (Wiki)

Mr. Blues' alarmist view seems to prevail and be endemic among those who have jumped on the fatalistic agenda-filled "trainwreck" bandwagon.
That was interesting. Thank you.
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Old 03-23-2009, 01:01 PM
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Re: The Fed Printed $1.5 Trillion to Pay Debt

What did Russia do in the post Soviet Union phase? I thought Roubles were kind of "junk currency" for many years (now trade at 26/dollar).

Maybe all we need to do is develop our considerable oil and natural gas resources. Seems like we need to have more stuff that is REAL that other people want to buy. Maybe what should happen is people who want to block the US from producing its own energy needs should NOT BE PERMITED to own an air conditioner (unless they are being treated for Asthma).

But hey, if we all end up:
riding the bus
having one car
eating at home
dropping cable

we might really re-connect with our families and neighbors.
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:17 PM
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Re: The Fed Printed $1.5 Trillion to Pay Debt

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What did Russia do in the post Soviet Union phase? I thought Roubles were kind of "junk currency" for many years (now trade at 26/dollar).

Maybe all we need to do is develop our considerable oil and natural gas resources. Seems like we need to have more stuff that is REAL that other people want to buy. Maybe what should happen is people who want to block the US from producing its own energy needs should NOT BE PERMITED to own an air conditioner (unless they are being treated for Asthma).

But hey, if we all end up:
riding the bus
having one car
eating at home
dropping cable

we might really re-connect with our families and neighbors.
What are you , some kind of rabble rouser nut?
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