Loren Yadon's: Tragedies of War???? - Page 14

mizpeh · #**131** 02-27-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Boy

Nope, It was a good thing- it probably would not happen today though, we have gone backwards! The more uniting the better, in my book!

I would love for LY to preach to our fellowship.

MrMasterMind · #**132** 02-27-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you think it was a mistake for the PCI and the PAJC to unite?

Absolutely, for the PCI

TRFrance · #**133** 02-27-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you think it was a mistake for the PCI and the PAJC to unite?

I'll put it this way:

If I was a member of whatever board was voting on the decision to merge, I would have voted no.

mizpeh · #**134** 02-27-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Absolutely, for the PCI

True, the PAJC didn't live up to their end of the bargain because of the Westburg faction.

Were there any PAJC men that were grieved with the outcome of the merger? Were there any PAJC men that didn't agree with the AS and not sign it?

Billy Boy · #**135** 02-27-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

I'll put it this way:

If I was a member of whatever board was voting on the decision to merge, I would have voted no.

Which organization was not a part of the body of Christ? (according to your vote?)

MrMasterMind · #**136** 02-27-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

True, the PAJC didn't live up to their end of the bargain because of the Westburg faction.

WOW you said a mouthful there.

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Were there any PAJC men that were grieved with the outcome of the merger? Were there any PAJC men that didn't agree with the AS and not sign it?

The only ones I am aware of personally is a couple honorable men who did it over "standards". Most of the PCI I personally know did it over doctrine.

TRFrance · #**137** 02-27-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Boy

Which organization was not a part of the body of Christ? (according to your vote?)

Frankly, the very question is off-base, to begin with.

I said nothing about anyone not being in the body of Christ, did I?

I believe anyone who is baptized in Jesus' name and filled with the Holy Ghost is a member of the body of Christ. That is not the issue.

The issue is that (for reasons I'd rather not rehash all over again now) I do not believe that the plan of salvation as taught by PCI believers is biblically correct. So, to avoid future conflict and confusion, I would have voted against a merger of 2 organizations that have 2 differing views of what the plan of salvation is.

mizpeh · #**138** 02-27-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

I'll put it this way:

If I was a member of whatever board was voting on the decision to merge, I would have voted no.

TR, a lot of time has gone by since the early days of the church. Much false doctrine has crept in and is now considered "orthodoxy". Although God does want us to worship him in Spirit and in Truth, don't you think that God considers these things and lovingly guides folks into the truth?

Nothing about the way the PAJC discommunicated their brethren through the implimentation of AS leads me to believe that they were following the mind of God. It (the AS) was and is a Phariseeical divisive platform served up with a bad attitude.

TRFrance · #**139** 02-27-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

TR, a lot of time has gone by since the early days of the church. Much false doctrine has crept in and is now considered "orthodoxy". Although God does want us to worship him in Spirit and in Truth, don't you think that God considers these things and lovingly guides folks into the truth?

Sorry, Miz.
I'm not sure how this relates to my statement that I wouldn't have approved of the original 1945 merger.

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Nothing about the way the PAJC discommunicated their brethren through the implimentation of AS leads me to believe that they were following the mind of God. It (the AS) was and is a Phariseeical divisive platform served up with a bad attitude.

Well, there you go! That actually lends support to my point on this.

Scripture says "how can two walk together except they be in agreement?"(Amos 3:3).
In terms of New Birth theology, the PCI/PAJC merger was an oil and water mix. It was bound to cause friction and division at some point, which is exactly what happened in the days of the 1992 Affirmation Statement.
If there had been no merger, there wouldnt have been all this drama in '92 in the first place.

Billy Boy · #**140** 02-27-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Frankly, the very question is off-base, to begin with.

I said nothing about anyone not being in the body of Christ, did I?

I believe anyone who is baptized in Jesus' name and filled with the Holy Ghost is a member of the body of Christ. That is not the issue.

The issue is that (for reasons I'd rather not rehash all over again now) I do not believe that the plan of salvation as taught by PCI believers is biblically correct. So, to avoid future conflict and confusion, I would have voted against a merger of 2 organizations that have 2 differing views of what the plan of salvation is.

I get it, both salvational plans are close enough to get you saved, but different enough to cause division.