And Obama being referred to by the color of his skin. Actually we know he's only half, but still, Obama...black president. That seems racial to me. But not to people of color.
So join any group you want to, even if it's name refers to people of a certain skin color. But if you do, realize what you're doing.
The fact that America has elected her first Black President is something for all Americans to be proud of-- regardless of your political affiliation.
As a country and as individuals we have to get beyond that and get to his policies, etc. But recognizing the significance of his election is not racist.
In fact, to not recognize the significance of his election would be something that I would expect only from someone who was a bigot.
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Martin Luther King's desire was for the world to be color blind. He didn't want the color of a persons skin to make any diffference in anything they pursued.
I feel the same way.
So why is it that people of color (is that politically correct) still insist on segregating themselves with all the different groups like the black society of whatever. There are many. And I really don't care. But I don't see how a person of color can complain about segregation if they belong to or espose groups that segregate according to skin color. How about Miss Black America? How about the congressional black caucus? You could google for many other groups that are segragated according to the color of their skin.
And Obama being referred to by the color of his skin. Actually we know he's only half, but still, Obama...black president. That seems racial to me. But not to people of color.
So join any group you want to, even if it's name refers to people of a certain skin color. But if you do, realize what you're doing.
Great thoughts! Hard to talk race because some let their emotions or past experiences keep them level headed.
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You can be assured that if I knew something offended you, I wouldn't shove it in your face. Usually, decent folks don't do that.
But I guess I shouldn't be offended, right?
I thought I laid a convincing case as to why that thing was offensive to me and to others-- Black and White.
I don't question your Christianity Mr. Steinway.
I am further convinced of your flawed humanity.
Have a good night, Sir.
The entire thread is about this cartoon, so I assumed that it had already been posted. (I have not read this entire thread!)
I have not read all of your posts explaining how and why you are offended. I was wrong for posting something that is so offensive to you. Please forgive me.
To me, it takes a skewed view to see how the cartoon relates to Obama. Obama did not write the stimulus bill; Nancy Pelosi and her liberal cronies did! Obama mearly signed the bill into law.
The cartoon, to me, was stating that the stimulus bill was written by folks with monkey brains.
Could the cartoon have been written and drawn with the same message, but less offensive? Absolutely! The killing of animals or people in cartoons is bad taste!
I am aware that in years past that African-Americans were lampooned as monkeys by certain racist people and groups. This indeed is highly offensive to all people of conscience, especially black folks!
Being of Caucasian heritage, I think I have moved on past the thoughts and attitudes of a few of my ancestors. I am proud to have a black man be president. I just wish he had been a Republican with conservative values!
As far as my flawed humanity......you're spot on!
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The fact that America has elected her first Black President is something for all Americans to be proud of-- regardless of your political affiliation.
As a country and as individuals we have to get beyond that and get to his policies, etc. But recognizing the significance of his election is not racist.
In fact, to not recognize the significance of his election would be something that I would expect only from someone who was a bigot.
This post would seem to indicate that we have missed the point of Dr. King's dream entirely.
...I think I have moved on past the thoughts and attitudes of a few of my ancestors.
If only it were just a few. Unfortunately that is why this topic is still such a heated discussion. There are way more than a few with this mindset.
I have a question....would you say its easier for you to "move on" if you are not the target? For example, if you watched a kid being bulled in the 5th grade, you might forget about it by the 7th grade. Would it be fair to say that the actual kid being bullied might not ever forget, so when ever someone makes fun of or reference to his "whatever he was bullied about" it would bring up the same feelings? Especially when there was never any remorse from the bully?
Food for thought...
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If only it were just a few. Unfortunately that is why this topic is still such a heated discussion. There are way more than a few with this mindset.
I have a question....would you say its easier for you to "move on" if you are not the target? For example, if you watched a kid being bulled in the 5th grade, you might forget about it by the 7th grade. Would it be fair to say that the actual kid being bullied might not ever forget, so when ever someone makes fun of or reference to his "whatever he was bullied about" it would bring up the same feelings? Especially when there was never any remorse from the bully?
Food for thought...
When do we move on?
200 years?
250?
375?
562?
1467?
I do feel that those with racist ideals are few these days.
I do feel that those with racist ideals are few these days.
D4T, I think that often in these conversations, people are talking about two different things. You assume that the only issue is slavery that occurred hundreds of years ago obviously before any of out times. One point that I have been trying to make is that there are many people in our country who were raised in times of Jim Crow and other things (basically apartheid). We are only one generation removed from this. My own father was raised in this environment and can tell you stories that would surprise you. For these people we're not talking about stories and history, we're talking real life experiences.
In my opinion, it is amazing how far we have come in such a short period of time. And I do agree that those racist ideals are far fewer these days. I admire how my father has not allowed his experiences to affect him. I am sure that if he lived his life as a slave to those experiences, his own ministry would have suffered. I admire how many white Americans have throroughly rejected the mindset of even their preceding generation. I admire the fact that I have been able to have many great, fruitful conversations with many great people of all races.
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If only it were just a few. Unfortunately that is why this topic is still such a heated discussion. There are way more than a few with this mindset.
I have a question....would you say its easier for you to "move on" if you are not the target? For example, if you watched a kid being bulled in the 5th grade, you might forget about it by the 7th grade. Would it be fair to say that the actual kid being bullied might not ever forget, so when ever someone makes fun of or reference to his "whatever he was bullied about" it would bring up the same feelings? Especially when there was never any remorse from the bully?
Food for thought...
Tell me about bullying. In the forth and fifth grade I had to find a different way home every day to keep from getting bullied because I had a birth defect. My Dad was bullied because he was handicapped. It did not cripple us for life. We both became successful in our own way. There was never any remorse from those who did the bullying but you know what, I don't care because I won in the end. I became a better man not in spite of it but because of it. People can go on wallowing in the problems of the past and make life miserable for themselves and everyone around them. As I was told one time. Quit your bellyachin and get on with your life and I did.
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