Sam Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Sam
I've heard that analogy used also, but the word translated remission in
Acts 2:38 in our King James Version is translated forgiveness other places in that same version. And, some Bibles translate it forgiveness in
Acts 2:38.
APHESIS (Strong's word 859) and APHIEMI (Strong’s word 863) are used as follows in the Greek Scriptures (New Testament only) and are usually translated as release, forgiveness, remission, pardon, let go, leave, suffer(permit), dismiss, send away discharge, cancel.
Raven Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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The blood was applied in Egypt before Israel was ever baptized in the Red Sea.
Ex 12:7
7 And they shall take of the blood , and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
Ex 12:13
13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood , I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
As a pre-requisite before any could partake of the covenant the blood was applied first right from the altar.
Ex 24:6-8
6 And Moses took half of the blood , and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. Repentance!
8 And Moses took the blood , and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.
Lev 7:2
2 In the place where they kill the burnt offering shall they kill the trespass offering: and the blood thereof shall he sprinkle round about upon the altar.
Before anything else the blood was shed and applied at the altar.
The priest could not even enter the holy place without the blood being first applied!
Heb 9:7
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
Heb 9:11-12
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
By his own shed blood he was allowed into the holy place having already [past tense] obtained redemption for us.
Raven
Ok with the new info I still stand on what I thought, when we repent we see our sin and ask God to forgive us by faith. God saves us at that time he forgives us our sins, We are then obligated to obey the commandments of God ie. Baptism in his name. Not only does it signify burying the old man, it is our act in the new covanent that binds us to Christ, much more significance than this but lets stop here. Example: circumsision in OT. In my opinion we are save at repentance.
Just my opinion Like the children of Israel comming out of Egypt they were saved by the blood but they were cleansed by the Red Sea. God took care of them thru the wildreness Now here is the clencher in veiw of the need to be baptized, all the men that were born in the wildreness had not been circumsized God even took them into Cannan then he commanded Joshua to circumsize all the males before the went against Jerico. In my opinion there comes a time in every Christians life that God requires them to be baptized. It is a sign of our spiritual cleanleness before God among other things.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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