The percentages aren't any different than the rest of fat America.
I'm not sure about that. Of course I have NO facts or stats to back any of this up, but it seems to me that the larger set are a somewhat, if not much, higher percentage than the rest of the local population.
I'm not sure about that. Of course I have NO facts or stats to back any of this up, but it seems to me that the larger set are a somewhat, if not much, higher percentage than the rest of the local population.
Again.... no actual stats, just observation.
I've attended a few big churches. I'll be attending one this Sunday. I'll let you know their stats based on what I see....LOL!
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Does your groccery store have a produce section? Does it sell whole wheat bread? Do you understand what one serving means?
Yes, and most of the produce is covered in toxins. The soil that the produce is sewn in is overworked and not nutrient rich like it was 50 years ago. The organic farms have roads going through or by them and the toxins from the exhaust get into the food. Then we could go on into the gmo's (horrible stuff). The only way you no for sure you are not getting gmo's in your food is if it actually states it on the label. 70% of the foods we consume have gmo's in them (scary). FDA doesn't require gmo's to be regulated.
Wheat is totally overrated. If you are getting a pure strand like kamut or spelt then I agree it is good for you. Unless you are getting flour that has been ground and used within 24 hours you are not getting the best nutrition from the bread. For a loaf to sit on a shelf it has to have some type of preservative in it. Next let's talk about the yeast that is used in the bread. It is now fast acting yeast which also causes candida to grow out of control. You should wait at least 24 hours before you eat bread or bake it twice.
I do bake my own bread and have found it difficult to find the berries that I need to grind into flour with.
What most people think is healthy and good nutrition is still sorely lacking. Food needs to be live in order for it to cause regeneration. Hence my comment that good nutrition is hard to find.
I'm not sure what you meant by one serving. I'm going to guess it had to do with it doesn't matter how many calories you eat as long as they are nutrient rich. I am going to stand by this the only way obease people will ever lose weight naturally is to get good nutrition in the body so it can work properly. The reason people are hungry so often is because their bodies are crying out for nutrients. The more nutrients the faster this will happen. Overeating is eating when you are full but wanting more because it looks so good. Eating nutrient rich foods when you are hungry will not hurt you but help you.
Yes, and most of the produce is covered in toxins. The soil that the produce is sewn in is overworked and not nutrient rich like it was 50 years ago. The organic farms have roads going through or by them and the toxins from the exhaust get into the food. Then we could go on into the gmo's (horrible stuff). The only way you no for sure you are not getting gmo's in your food is if it actually states it on the label. 70% of the foods we consume have gmo's in them (scary). FDA doesn't require gmo's to be regulated.
Wheat is totally overrated. If you are getting a pure strand like kamut or spelt then I agree it is good for you. Unless you are getting flour that has been ground and used within 24 hours you are not getting the best nutrition from the bread. For a loaf to sit on a shelf it has to have some type of preservative in it. Next let's talk about the yeast that is used in the bread. It is now fast acting yeast which also causes candida to grow out of control. You should wait at least 24 hours before you eat bread or bake it twice.
I do bake my own bread and have found it difficult to find the berries that I need to grind into flour with.
What most people think is healthy and good nutrition is still sorely lacking. Food needs to be live in order for it to cause regeneration. Hence my comment that good nutrition is hard to find.
I'm not sure what you meant by one serving. I'm going to guess it had to do with it doesn't matter how many calories you eat as long as they are nutrient rich. I am going to stand by this the only way obease people will ever lose weight naturally is to get good nutrition in the body so it can work properly. The reason people are hungry so often is because their bodies are crying out for nutrients. The more nutrients the faster this will happen. Overeating is eating when you are full but wanting more because it looks so good. Eating nutrient rich foods when you are hungry will not hurt you but help you.
Ok Kae,
IMO, your contribution in this thread is valuable.
I hope this thread works as a 'lively' location for good discussion involving "what we eat" but it does include some pretty volitile ingredients that could be stirred in by skinny "chiefs" ...opps "chefs".
I am not a person inclined toward hand-wringing because of "toxins are everywhere". But the lack of "real" or "living" in our food intake is undeniable...and, IMO, it is fully enabled by "a love of money".
Bread is a God-thing.
There is something central to life about this staple.
Deny (or corrupt) the potency of this staple and you have denied well-ness to a vast market.
A vast market is 'ka-ching, ka-ching' in the sales of some new, fortified (ENRICHED) symptom manager!
God did not intend for BREAD to be STORED.
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It seems you've dispatched a barrage of posts since I last left off, and others of you have also posted some interesting pieces. So, let me see if I can summarize all that has happened, try to catch up on our little debate, and post a provoking response.
First of all I would like to regroup and reestablish that we are talking about obesity and whether or not it is a sin. Many of you agree that obesity is a symptom of a sin, but that obesity itself is nevertheless a bad witness. Registered Nut, I beleive, wishes to make us aware that it is not only the fat ones that have the sin of gluttony, nor are they the only ones who are in medical danger. The Registered Nut also wishes us to understand that whether you are fat or skinny, heart disease can get you, especially if Gramps had it.
While I understand what she has said, and even have no disagreement with these statements, I would say this, as the Bible says (1 Samuel 16:7): That "Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart". That said, in God's eyes, the abusers of their bodies, whoever they are, however they do it, will be held accountable by the One who sees all. Nevertheless, if man looks upon the outside, then it is our responsibility to give a good example to the world. And whether you like it or not, Registered Nut, when a man or woman see's a fat man he perceives an excess and lack of self control. Why? Is that unfair? No. It's because excess and an intemperate appetite are what is causing the gross girth in the majority of the fat demographic. Think for a minute, if a skinny person with an "overactive" thyroid (who's diagnoses is such based on some collective metabolic average, not an individually calculated/personalized one) consumes 10,000 calories a day, guess what... Maybe they need it. Because that's how God made their body, and those are the needs they need to respond to. That's the difference I will try to emphasize here, that, since we are all different, excess must be individualy defined by a personal assessment of our own nutritional needs. What is gluttony for one might be meeting daily requirements for another. Furthermore, after assessing one's needs, one mustn't use another's needs to claim that they can't help being fat when they eat like the naturally skinny. Don't compare yourselves amongst yourselves. That's the kind of logic that leads nutty sociologist's to putting book's into ignorant people's houses because they think the presence of the books will make them smart. (Don't laugh, it's happened). Just because smart people read books doesn't mean that the presence of books made them smart. The decision that smart people make to choose to read good books will make them smart!
So folks, no, personal responsibility isn't dead... It's only half-dead.
With obesity considered the #1 health epidemic in America, causing irrepairable damage to the human body (our temple), how should we as Christians approach this subject? I was told as a new convert, take care of your temple (body). Be moderate. Have temperance (have self-control).
Repent of things that destroy and be a good example.
Obesity is proven to cause diabetes, heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure, cancer; and the list goes on.
We tell folks to quit smoking because of the dangerous side affects caused by this unhealthy habit. Are we able to take this stand if we accept the "overweight" issue by looking the other way?
I've seen many preachers "joke" away at this subject to calm the air of thier obvious lack of self-control in this area. In reality, being fat is not funny, it's unhealthy. I've watched them preach strong and hard to live holy; Live holy? I guess I'm a little confused here, as holiness covers our physical and spiritual being.
Don't mean to offend here, just stating the facts of how the lost may (are) looking at our ability to justify gluttony. In past churches I've attended, visitors were very suprised at the amount of overweight people on the pews. I'm not just talking about a few pounds either; 100 or more.
I have many good friends who are big. One of them is 400 pounds and he is only 40. He laughs now, but in the next few years laughter will turn to tears.
I do believe mercy plays a role in this somewhere. But, where do we draw the line? How far do we go? Will the church simply end up "full" of the sick because we can't push the plate away or get off the couch?
The prayer line would shrink and we would feel better if we would learn the blessing of proper diet and exercise.
If you are overweight and are reading this, please, I have compassion on your dilema. We have great abundance in this Country and many convienences that now take away the "task" where calories were once burned. There is hope, though. Find people who enjoy getting out, who have the same desire as you to shed the pounds and get in shape.
People can revolutionize thier existence by good old fashioned discipline and motivation. Not only will you feel better, people will notice you care about yourself and your Light will shine with new vigor. The doctor will be stunned when you show up to your next appointment with normal blood pressure and no more need for "PILLS".
This may have already been mentioned as I didn't read the whole thread but wanted to add my two cents.
OBESITY is NOT a sin.
GLUTTONY is a sin and even skinny people can be gluttons.
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The percentages aren't any different than the rest of fat America.
You definitely "shot from the hip" on this one. My wife recently went to a laidies banquet/fellowship engagement. The number of big women (my wife said "huge") was appalling. The sad thing was, pastors wives were the worst.
They lined up at the tablespread, gorging themselves with one plate after another. They'd giggle and eat, laughing away the truth of a condition that is killing the church and telling the world we don't care.
I've been in the Apostolic movement for 30 years. I've watched my many friends grow fat, and the numbers are staggering. We are big, and we stumble greatly with this issue, I think because we give up other vices in repentance, and then turn to gluttony with a snicker.
My personal opinion is, the example of the ministry is lacking, choosing to indulge by convincing the saints with a "Joke".
This is no joke. We are sick, we are fat, and ultimately we are hypocrites. Our statement is clear. Our actions speak louder than words. No wonder our young people roll thier eyes at the convicting message that bellows from a man who weighs 400 pounds. It's no wonder they are leaving the Church!
Despising hypocrisy is why I left the church of my youth!
This may have already been mentioned as I didn't read the whole thread but wanted to add my two cents.
OBESITY is NOT a sin.
GLUTTONY is a sin and even skinny people can be gluttons.
Yes... this point has been made and NFS is not interested in buying it.
He clearly has a personal disgust for fat people and loves to rail on their sorry low down sinnin' no good for nothing lazy behinds.
This is a personal issue on his part that will only stop until others cease to discuss it with him or when we all come into this thread and proclaim...
Indeed... all fat people are disgusting pigs who ruin their own lives, bodies and witness by the disgust of people having to look on them and they should hide in caves until they wither away to an acceptable size for the kingdom.
If you ask me... if I had somebody that needed witnessing to... I would send an overweight person with a kind spirit over the skinniest rail that possesses and exudes condemnation and ridicule.
I find these types of spirits to be the worst witness of all and there is simply no diet that can fix it.
Yes... this point has been made and NFS is not interested in buying it.
He clearly has a personal disgust for fat people and loves to rail on their sorry low down sinnin' no good for nothing lazy behinds.
This is a personal issue on his part that will only stop when others cease to discuss it with him or when we all come into this thread and proclaim...
Indeed... all fat people are disgusting pigs who ruin their own lives, bodies and witness by the disgust of people having to look on them and they should hide in caves until they wither away to an acceptable size for the kingdom.
If you ask me... if I had somebody that needed witnessing to... I would send an overweight person with a kind spirit over the skinniest rail that possesses and exudes condemnation and ridicule.
I find these types of spirits to be the worst witness of all and there is simply no diet that can fix it.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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