I was noticing that avoiding it and disagreeing with it were appearing to be one and the same.
Best of luck in your venture.
Well, I don't know his background as to his education in the matter, but not only did I live as one of the judged for most of my adult life, but I work in a cardiac step-down unit, where heart disease is present in both young and old, and in the thin and fat.
Smoking seems to be a bigger (no pun intended) problem than overeating when it comes to heart disease. That's more of the common factor that I've seen so far.
But to make a statement like what was said in post 80 is horrible. I can't believe someone would make such a statement like that.
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Most of the preachers I have know in my lifetime that are fat is in fact due to a lifestyle without exercise and unhealthy eating habits and has absolutely nothing to do with anything else. Does it mean they are lazy - NO - but it does mean they have not taken the time to take care of their bodies that God created - absolutely. I asked my brother once - who is a preacher - why this was not preached about and he just laughed and said because too many preachers don't want to have to live that way
Well, I don't know his background as to his education in the matter, but not only did I live as one of the judged for most of my adult life, but I work in a cardiac step-down unit, where heart disease is present in both young and old, and in the thin and fat.
Smoking seems to be a bigger (no pun intended) problem than overeating when it comes to heart disease. That's more of the common factor that I've seen so far.
But to make a statement like what was said in post 80 is horrible. I can't believe someone would make such a statement like that.
Speaking of smoking - studies have shown that not exercising daily has the same health effects on your body as smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.
Thin people are lazy and unhealthy too, but we don't talk about them because they don't look lazy and unhealthy.
Absolutely true, such as my skinny friend who lives on Pepsi and Snickers.
Fat people are harder on themselves than their critics are. The last thing they need is more guilt piled on. Believe it or not, most of them are trying in some fashion to lose weight. Very few people just love being fat.
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
My dear Registered Nut,
It seems you've dispatched a barrage of posts since I last left off, and others of you have also posted some interesting pieces. So, let me see if I can summarize all that has happened, try to catch up on our little debate, and post a provoking response.
First of all I would like to regroup and reestablish that we are talking about obesity and whether or not it is a sin. Many of you agree that obesity is a symptom of a sin, but that obesity itself is nevertheless a bad witness. Registered Nut, I beleive, wishes to make us aware that it is not only the fat ones that have the sin of gluttony, nor are they the only ones who are in medical danger. The Registered Nut also wishes us to understand that whether you are fat or skinny, heart disease can get you, especially if Gramps had it.
While I understand what she has said, and even have no disagreement with these statements, I would say this, as the Bible says (1 Samuel 16:7): That "Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart". That said, in God's eyes, the abusers of their bodies, whoever they are, however they do it, will be held accountable by the One who sees all. Nevertheless, if man looks upon the outside, then it is our responsibility to give a good example to the world. And whether you like it or not, Registered Nut, when a man or woman see's a fat man he perceives an excess and lack of self control. Why? Is that unfair? No. It's because excess and an intemperate appetite are what is causing the gross girth in the majority of the fat demographic. Think for a minute, if a skinny person with an "overactive" thyroid (who's diagnoses is such based on some collective metabolic average, not an individually calculated/personalized one) consumes 10,000 calories a day, guess what... Maybe they need it. Because that's how God made their body, and those are the needs they need to respond to. That's the difference I will try to emphasize here, that, since we are all different, excess must be individualy defined by a personal assessment of our own nutritional needs. What is gluttony for one might be meeting daily requirements for another. Furthermore, after assessing one's needs, one mustn't use another's needs to claim that they can't help being fat when they eat like the naturally skinny. Don't compare yourselves amongst yourselves. That's the kind of logic that leads nutty sociologist's to putting book's into ignorant people's houses because they think the presence of the books will make them smart. (Don't laugh, it's happened). Just because smart people read books doesn't mean that the presence of books made them smart. The decision that smart people make to choose to read good books will make them smart!
So folks, no, personal responsibility isn't dead... It's only half-dead.
It seems you've dispatched a barrage of posts since I last left off, and others of you have also posted some interesting pieces. So, let me see if I can summarize all that has happened, try to catch up on our little debate, and post a provoking response.
First of all I would like to regroup and reestablish that we are talking about obesity and whether or not it is a sin. Many of you agree that obesity is a symptom of a sin, but that obesity itself is nevertheless a bad witness. Registered Nut, I beleive, wishes to make us aware that it is not only the fat ones that have the sin of gluttony, nor are they the only ones who are in medical danger. The Registered Nut also wishes us to understand that whether you are fat or skinny, heart disease can get you, especially if Gramps had it.
While I understand what she has said, and even have no disagreement with these statements, I would say this, as the Bible says (1 Samuel 16:7): That "Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart". That said, in God's eyes, the abusers of their bodies, whoever they are, however they do it, will be held accountable by the One who sees all. Nevertheless, if man looks upon the outside, then it is our responsibility to give a good example to the world. And whether you like it or not, Registered Nut, when a man or woman see's a fat man he perceives an excess and lack of self control. Why? Is that unfair? No. It's because excess and an intemperate appetite are what is causing the gross girth in the majority of the fat demographic. Think for a minute, if a skinny person with an "overactive" thyroid (who's diagnoses is such based on some collective metabolic average, not an individually calculated/personalized one) consumes 10,000 calories a day, guess what... Maybe they need it. Because that's how God made their body, and those are the needs they need to respond to. That's the difference I will try to emphasize here, that, since we are all different, excess must be individualy defined by a personal assessment of our own nutritional needs. What is gluttony for one might be meeting daily requirements for another. Furthermore, after assessing one's needs, one mustn't use another's needs to claim that they can't help being fat when they eat like the naturally skinny. Don't compare yourselves amongst yourselves. That's the kind of logic that leads nutty sociologist's to putting book's into ignorant people's houses because they think the presence of the books will make them smart. (Don't laugh, it's happened). Just because smart people read books doesn't mean that the presence of books made them smart. The decision that smart people make to choose to read good books will make them smart!
So folks, no, personal responsibility isn't dead... It's only half-dead.
I'll be back, but I need to take a break.
Going back to being,
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LOL! I like you, but I don't know why.
To address part of what you said regarding metabolic needs, some people should only eat 1000 calories. Do you think that's fair because 'God made them that way'?
Yes, those people exist. I was one of them. Still am. Good thing is, I struggle to eat 1000 calories a day now, but I'm healthy and it shows. No, not because I'm thin, but my hair and skin looks nice.
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