Just Wondering..... - Page 12

Cindy · #**111** 01-10-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

Has anyone ever read "The Wasteland," by T.S. Eliot?

Not me, what is it about?

Amos · #**112** 01-10-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

Not me, what is it about?

There isn't really a short answer to that.

It is a stream-of-consciousness poem that somehow comes to mind tonight.

Neck · #**113** 01-10-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

The part where he said it was "more of a spell than gospel" actually is worse than the cult comment.

Spells are from witchcraft.

So our faith is equated with witchcraft. Nice.

But we need to respond lovingly to being called, in essence, witches, since we are not the victims.

Amos. I used part of the word "gospel" to make a point.

Review your webster.

I was referring to the 2nd definition of the word.

2. Compelling attraction, fascination.

Which I was directly referring to standards not the Oneness or Acts 2:38 message....

I was not referring to a "Spell" as in magic or anything else having been placed on anyone...

Neck · #**114** 01-10-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

What is the number in the thread?

#52

Amos · #**115** 01-10-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

Amos. I used part of the word "gospel" to make a point.

Review your webster.

I was referring to the 2nd definition of the word.

2. Compelling attraction, fascination.

Which I was directly referring to standards not the Oneness or Acts 2:38 message....

I was not referring to a "Spell" as in magic or anything else having been placed on anyone...

I don't have to review my "webster" to know the Anglo-Saxon root of the word.

I still think it was a tasteless comment, Sir, the spin notwithstanding.

Neck · #**116** 01-10-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

Maybe "spell" ought to be declared off limits regarding the Gospel.

What an amazing thing--that on an Apostolic forum, a term like the one Miz repeated would have to be banned when discussing Baptism in the only saving Name.

Again you need to regroup and understand the context as to what I the writer was trying to convey...

What man as I after being in the truth my entire life would use the work Spell to a meaning of Witchcraft...

Sorry not gonna happen..

LadyCoonskinner · #**117** 01-10-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

I think you need to look back at what I responded to.

Once again I can assure you that you would not say anything on this forum.

That would be against anything in the manual.

Because that is your association.

I brought that out as your church, position, friends, income and family.

Why was that brought into the message?

Because if and when you leave the mothership.

You fear you would lose your church, friends, finances and in some cases family.

The idea of the "spell' over the gospel.

Was not in reference to the oneness of God nor Acts 2:38 message.

It was a direct reference to the concept of standards.

My father was told by the UPCI, state of Virginia board that he would lose his card if he preached again for Bro Frank Tamel in Wisconsin.

The church in Wisconsin had just started out of another assembly back in the early 1970's.

Bro Tamel had stopped by our house in Richmond to seek my dad's advice as to starting the church.

My father commented to him, "The Lord places the call". "Not man".

At the General conference that year.

It may have been Miami.

Many men told my father it may get tight for you Bro.

Because of the stance you are taking.

Well he got called in before the board.

Their decision was that he was not supposed to preach at the church for the next 18 months.

My father told the men in the meeting.

Fine the Lord does the calling.

Here is my card, thanks for your support.

Before he left the room they gave him the ok to continue to preach at the church.

Over the next 5 years he preached some 60 times at the church.

He was the only evangelist to peach there for the first few years.

That is why after his death in 1978, we moved to WI in 1980.

I still personally live in Oak Creek, WI.

What came of the church.

It became the largest church in Wisconsin.

My dad was warned of the idea of you will lose your friends, your status, your income....

Hello!!!! That was the basis from which I drew the reference.

Many will never speak their minds and in some cases I see anger from them.

I think because they wish they had the same guts to cut and run....

Well, you used the wrong reference here, bro. Our church isn't even affiliated and we were indepent for about 5 years, so......we weren't with "the Mothership" ( I loathe that term) all the time.

You made an assumption here and it is and was DEAD WRONG!!!!!! The UPCI does not pay me nor do my associations with the UPCI. Yes, I fellowship lots of people. Even people I consider "lost".

I am not ashamed of the fact that I do not agree with some of the positions that are upheld by the UPC. I am not a machine and neither is my husband. We have our own minds and have made decisions that were right, but still hurt us in the district in which we live.....(this was several years ago and it has changed a lot now) Yes, we were wounded in the house of our friends, by the ministry and I had REASON to be bitter and angry. I struggled for years with that, but knew I could not let it define who I was and what I was was and what I believed.

Where I am, what I believe and the financial part has NOTHING whatsoever to do with us preaching the gospel. God is my Provider. I do not hide behind a screen name. I am not ashamed of the stand I take. I'm not afraid that I'm going to get into trouble because I have a different opinion than that of others. I am not afraid to "fight" for what I believe.

So maybe you ought not assume so much....

Amos · #**118** 01-10-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

Again you need to regroup and understand the context as to what I the writer was trying to convey...

What man as I after being in the truth my entire life would use the work Spell to a meaning of Witchcraft...

Sorry not gonna happen..

I don't know, Neck...it sounds like you used to be pretty mean and rip on people back when standards were, as you said, "the holy grail of your spiritual life."

You could have a relapse.