Seven Days of Sex... Woo Hoo!! :)

[George]

Originally Posted by Neck

MissBrattified...

Thanks.

If I could have 5 minutes to review a person's credit report.

Or sit in the back seat of a couples car.

I could conclude their relationship with Christ.

How one spends their money or treats the private time with their spouse.

Is the measure of their spiritual realtionshiop with Christ.

I watch some of my friends and how they tear each other apart.

They constantly battle for position.

I was reminded of power, watching George W Bush and Barak Obama walking the outside walkway at the White house the other day.

I played it in slow motion.

At each turn in the walk, Bush moved out in front, then at the next turn Obama moved out in front.

Each step was a step for power.

Just like the little second graders who try and make the door of the bus first.

Then they both try and force their way into the last seat on the bus.

What they don't realize is that the rest of their lives they will look for the parking spot at the front of the line at the mall.

Perspective changes but the pursuit always lingers.

Loving someone and caring about someone is not surrendering.

It is about being at the top of the hill or in the valley together...

Yep and you could probably disclose what areas they struggle in their marriage.

[George]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

My parents did a great job on most things, but this was one area I was CLUELESS in!!!! Kind of odd, too, because my Dad was very outspoken in general. A few days before my WEDDING, my mother gave me a book by Dr. Dobson that had details about what sex was all about, but she didn't explain ANYthing...just handed me the book and walked out. LOL!

My older sister asked me the night before if I had any questions, but I was too shy about it, and told her no.

So on my wedding day, Dr. Dobson was my only source.

I don't remember the name of the book.

And you speak for thousands of Pentecostal girls. It is a shame the parents shy away from talking about sex with their children.

[rgcraig]

Neck,

Your posts have been inspiring! If all relationships could be this pure, honest and intimate there would be less stress and problems in marriages.

I love this portion of one of your posts! It's what a women longs for in a relationship!

Originally Posted by Neck

If there is true beauty or poetry in tendor intimacy.

It will not intimidate, frustrate, or denigrate it will illuminate and elevate.

She is not an object to be pandered at my will.

She is the desire of heart, before she is the desire of my desires.

I just wanted to thank you for your contribution to this thread.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by revrandy

I'm back...where's the question???

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=257

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

oh....hi Rhoni!!!!

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

same way the other one does.

Alot ministers involved with delivence ministry says it's demonic, which is demostrated by the demon acting out the act itself while be cast out.

Originally Posted by 1399

Truthseeker, how can married couples sin?

I think we all know the acts you are refering to. No need to explain that.

But how is it sin? Biblically, can you elaborate?

Originally Posted by George

Rhoni - you didn't offend me. IMO, this is an adult forum, discussing an adult issue, and that is a common word among many adult people.

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I do believe there are acts that are unnatural/inordinate affection.

if we look at the anatomy of our bodies it's clear what parts were created for.


As far as bible, I do believe we can use terms in the bible that cover certain things but it doesn't speak specifically about certain acts, but the bible doesn't teach against heroin, whips, chains, smoking, lottery, etc......But we could use scripture to teach against these things in principle.

Some say if it not in scripture don't worry about it but there alot of unhealthy things not mention in scripture.


"But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
Hebrew 5:14

If every thing is spelled out in scripture there would be no need to discern good and evil.

Originally Posted by 1399

Now doesn't the Bible say that (if I was married) (paraphrased) "my body is for my wife's pleasure" and vice versa?

If there are acts that are bad, how then is "the marriage bed undefiled"? The explanation for that scripture you gave earlier doesn't line up with that scripture.

Truthseeker is posting, as we all do, from our point of reference; how we were raised in our family of origin, the teachings we got throught the church, the ideas of friends, and our past and present relationships.

The Bible tells us the marriage bed is undefiled, and it has already been said that our spouse's body was given to us for our pleasure/mutual pleasure. This is why it is very important to discuss these things during the pre-marital stage.

There was one of my internships that all I did was counsel married couples in a fundamentalist pentecostal church and the ideas of what was appropriate in the marital bed was as diverse as the couples themselves.

Again, I will say that ANYTHING [act of sexuality] between a married [male and female couple] that is mutually agreed upon, that both enjoy and no one is hurt mentally, physically, or emotionally is within their Biblical right. There is an exclusion: watching pornography of others in the act is wrong and is not part of the sexual act of the married couple. This includes bringing other people into the marriage bed agreed upon or not...this is sin; adultry, fornication, and is not part of a pure Biblical relationship.

Blessings,
Rhoni

P.S. Thank you George. And I agree that those of us who are not married but have been, are just as much an adult and within our rights to discuss these issues.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by George

I am calling my pastor tomorrow and telling him he needs to hire you for all premarital counseling!

WOW! Another excellent post, Neck. So many good lines in this one post! I'm particularly drawn to the last sentence I put in bold print. Too many have strayed from the desire of heart and pursued selfish desires.

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The interesting thing about my thoughts.

They were not read in Men are from Mars, Woman are from venus.

They have been lived and cherished in my personal relationship with my wife and mother of my children..

I do not define my relationship with my wife or my wife as a battlefield that is summed up by conquest.

It is defined by mutual respect, understanding, forgiveness, and trust.

I remember asking my girlfriend a question.

A question that was asked even before... will you marry me?

I simply asked her... Will you be the mother of my Children?

It was not about marriage where so many view marriage as a contract.

It was asking for a bond that would bring us together for the rest of our lives.

With that as a starting point and not just birthdates in time.

We often find ourselves remembering together that conversation.

I have always taken my wife back to these private and intimate moments.

They put a pure perspective on our busy lives.

We made a committment to each other.

The problem with so many couples they make a committment without building the relationship or safe guards to protect the relationship.

Why do so many people call sex making Love.

Sex does not make love, It expresses Love!

When expressing Love you do not act Love.

Here is a poem that I wrote in 2003.

It has been published....

Scent of Love


There is beauty in the forest;
When the tree's are grown and fare.
There is beauty in the meadows;
When wild flowers scent the air.
There is beauty in the sun-light.
Those Soft blue beams above;
Oh! The world is full of beauty;
When for you my heart is full of Love!


Copyright ©2003 Nathan Alan Eckstadt

[Neck]

Originally Posted by George

And you speak for thousands of Pentecostal girls. It is a shame the parents shy away from talking about sex with their children.

The problem with Christian parents. They find it odd talking about sex.

I did not talk to either of my sons just about sex.

I talked to them about intimacy in relationships.

I shared with them as part of the intimacy a man and a woman will come together.

In this union and experience comes great responsibility.

The need to protect the heart, emotions and the future of the person you are with and yourself.

I shared with them sex is not just an act it is the ultimate expression of love.

Many feelings are part of love.

Desire, chemistry, emotion and intimacy.

We all felt many of these expressions at a very young age.

To many people "Love" the act and not the person they are with.....

As for me I chose to love the person.....

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't think it is always true that men have a higher sex drive. Just saying......

I think a sexual addiction is when the spouse is not involved in your mind during the intimacy. Your imagination of other things is driving you in the performance.

Do you mean other people?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by George

After 30 + years of marriage, you don't have to convince me that sex is a pertinent subject for couples. The bottom line is the decision is between the married couple and they don't need the opinions of people on this forum who are saying, "No, it's a sin," or "It's ok." That is a decision they have to make. If they are living in fear of having adventurous sex with their partner, they need to get therapy.

You and I may think it is senseless for a couple to live in fear of violating a sacred creed if they have OS or AS, but there are others on this forum who are saying it is wrong. This leaves the scared couple confused and we are not really helping them. They need to seek a licensed therapist. It is not any of the preacher's business to direct anyone's sex life provided it is within the bonds of marriage. Bottom line - the marriage bed is a free place providing the couple are in agreement. It is nobody elses business.

Following this logic, George, we shouldn't have threads about financial advice on this forum - we should tell people to consult a professional financial advisor.

We shouldn't have threads about health related issues - we should tell people to consult a doctor.

We shouldn't have ANY doctrinal threads at all - we should tell people to seek counsel from their pastors only.

This is a discussion forum where people come to present ideas and learn other viewpoints. If it's done tastefully, it can be of great benefit, especially to people who feel uncomfortable discussing such issues with people they interact with on a daily basis.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, here's a new question to throw out there... ...is it wrong to be addicted to having sex with your spouse?

Is sexual addiction just a white-washed title for immoral and promiscuous behavior? Should it even be used in reference to the married relationship?

I don't think so if you are BOTH in agreement. I think that is what the Bible stated, is that you both give of yourself to each other.

I think Neck has made the best post on this thread, about it being first about relationship. That brings the quality you are searching for. IMO