I thought They were one???

[OneAccord]

If I were to tell you that I am the Son of God, what would you think of me? You'd think I was an idiot, a blasphemer, a devil and so one, right? And, you'd be right.

Jesus, during His earthly ministry, was man. He was mere flesh and blood. True, He was the manifestation of God in the flesh but He was, for all intents and purposes, a man. I think it was because He was man that He was willing to forgive those that spoke against Him out of ignorance. Being human, how could He expect people to believe Him to be anything but a human? For this reason He said this:

Jhn 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Jhn 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in him.

Once His Message had been delivered and His Ministry fulfilled, He held people accountable to His Word. He had revealed Himself to them throughout His Life, Death and Resurrection- now, under the leadership and guidiance of the Holy Ghost to lead them to fulness of Truth, they were held accountable for their words and actions for or against the Holy Spirit. Once Jesus was completely and undeniably revealed as God manifested in the flesh by the Holy Ghost, any word spoken against the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven, for it is the Spirit of God that finally and completely reveals to us the divinity of Jesus.

Its like this:

A man dressed in "street clothes" walks up to me and says "You're under arrest". I look at him like hes a fruitcake and walk off. He grabs me by the arm and flashes His badge at me. I then recognize his authority. People did not recognize Jesus' authority until He fulfilled His Life, Death and Resurrection and the Holy Ghost was given. Jesus waited until He had completed His life, death and resurrection to say this:"ALL power (authority) in heaven and earth is given unto me..." He "flashed" His authority by giving us the inward dwelling Spirit of Christ to reveal all truth unto us.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

From being one WHAT?

You can't separate Father, Son and Spirit.

Father is Spirit. Spirit is HOW Father exists in His Deity.

Son is Spirit and Flesh. Spirit is the Divine nature of the Father ontologically united with the Human nature.

The Son is for all intents and purposes, fully human. He has a human nature. In the incarnation the Son empties Himself of Deity, not that he stops being God but that means he "puts aside" his diety temporarily for use. He does not use it so he can truly be that humbled human servant Paul talks of.

So the Father is Spirit.

Who is the Spirit as in the Holy Spirit.

I have Jesus Christ in me, "the hope of Glory."

Do I have my Heavenly Father in me too?

[Shawn]

God is one. Not 3 persons.
He's revealed himself as the Father in creation. The Son in redemption. And as the Holy Spirit in the Church today. Not 3 persons. There aren't 2 spirits and a Son in the Godhead.

Jesus has both a human nature and a divine nature. In light of that we have to look at the various aspects of His life in respects to his humanity and his divinity.

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by Esther

I noticed something in scripture this morning that I have read many, many times and never noticed. Please explain Matt 12:32 if you can.

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neihther in this world, neither in the world to come."


I thought the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one. That being true how can you blaspheme the Son and be forgiven but not the Holy Ghost?

This seems confusing???

Lawyers wrote that in...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by 1399

So the Father is Spirit.

Who is the Spirit as in the Holy Spirit.

I have Jesus Christ in me, "the hope of Glory."

Do I have my Heavenly Father in me too?

Yes

Notice these words of Jesus to His disciples in the upper room before His death:

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19Y et a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14:15-23

Every believer has Jesus in his heart.
Every believer has the Holy Ghost in his heart.
Every believer has the Father in his heart.
Yet, only one Spirit dwells in our hearts --the Spirit of the Lord, or the Spirit of YHWH, or Christ in us, or the Spirit of Jesus Christ, .......

[Falla39]

John chapter 17 is a good chapter to see the relationship Jesus had with the Father.

(Spirit). The Father (Deity,Spirit, God) was glorified in the Son and the Son glorified

was glorified in the Father.

Jesus prayed for Himself in the first 5 verses. He prayed for his disciples in verse 6-19.

Jesus prayed for all those who would believe in Him through the disciples/Apostles word,

beginning with verse 20. The Father gave those that were His to the Son, so that the

world might know that He sent the Son because the Father had loved the Son before

the foundation of the world.

For God to receive glory there needs to be something for Him to be glorified in and

through. If a beautiful lamp has no light, where's the glory. Where is the glory displayed

of a lovely stained glass window if there is no light to shine through it. For God who

commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the

light of the knowledge of the glory of God, in the face of Jesus Christ. There must be

means or place for the glory of God to be displayed. Radiant faces come from what is

burning inside.

God was IN Christ, reconciled the world unto Himself. God IS a Spirit and came near to

His people, but He needed someone to house Him. Jesus served as the Father's House.

The glory was in the Son! Spirit had been transferred into the Son. He who

has the Father has the Son. Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Jesus said on the Cross, "It is finished" He had finished the work the Father had sent

him to do. At an appointed time, he went back to where he came from. He had appointed

the apostles a kingdom, just as the Father had appointed him one. We are labours to-

gether WITH GOD. The Kingdom of God had not fully come when Jesus first

came to earth.

Jesus told his disciples that he was WITH them, but would be IN them.

The Kingdom of God was on its way. Jesus went back to where he came from and poured

out the Promise of the Father into those obedient, willing vessels.

The Kingdom of God is in us as it was in them. His glory can only be seen

in the faces of God's people. The Kingdom of God is in the hearts of His

people.

Blessings,

Falla39

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by 1399

So the Father is Spirit.

Who is the Spirit as in the Holy Spirit.

I have Jesus Christ in me, "the hope of Glory."

Do I have my Heavenly Father in me too?

The Spirit is the essence of God's Being.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by 1399

So the Father is Spirit.

Who is the Spirit as in the Holy Spirit.

I have Jesus Christ in me, "the hope of Glory."

Do I have my Heavenly Father in me too?

Well of course you do, Mike.

(Eph 4:6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


But this absurd Trinity doctrine makes some folk think they have the Holy Spirit -- but not the Spirit of the Father at the same time ...even though the scriptures tell us plainly that "there is one spirit" (Eph 4:4).


The Spirit of the Father is not a different Spirit from "the Holy Spirit".

(Matt 10:19-20) 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.


(Mark 13:11) 11But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Sometimes, I have to be reminded if the truth of God's Word.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by 1399

Sometimes, I have to be reminded if the truth of God's Word.

Well, I hope that post helped a little.

I know it helped me. Made me go back and dig up some scriptures I hadnt looked at for a while.