Prophetic Word about the Election

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Ahhh....the "Hitler Card". Get real, neither McCain or Obama is as bad as Hitler...to even insinuate it would be to minimize the very real evil of Hitler.

You need to read a real history of the political environment of Germany before the rise of Nazism. The abuses and autocratic rule of socialism and communism came about through idealism and hope for change and righting of wrongs. This man is commited to the same ideals and when given power under the guise that we will do it better will bring about the same results.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Timmy

And you agreed. I don't agree. I don't think God gives us what we want and then makes sure we suffer for it ("... beat the hell out of you with it").

I personally think God did that when he gave in to them and gave them a king.
He gave them king Saul.

Also in the wilderness when they longed for meat. Psalm 106:15 says He gave them their request but sent leanness into their soul. In Numbers chapter 11 He answered their request for meat by giving them quail until they got sick of it.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Who would the King of Kings vote for? lol In doing so he'd deny his Lordship. lol (That's my short answer. hehe).

I think Jesus would rebuke both candidates and both parties, calling all to repentance.

He got hungry........and was still the creator.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by keith4him

You need to read a real history of the political environment of Germany before the rise of Nazism. The abuses and autocratic rule of socialism and communism came about through idealism and hope for change and righting of wrongs. This man is commited to the same ideals and when given power under the guise that we will do it better will bring about the same results.

Neither McCain or Obama are anywhere near as bad as Hitler. My wife comes from a Jewish family and....they're voting for Obama. To compare Hitler to average politicians is to minimize the real evil he inflicted on the masses. Neither McCain or Obama would ever do such a thing.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Antipas

In fact historically speaking most fundamental Christian groups denounced politics and greed.

They also created monastic orders. The Essenes influenced them.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

He got hungry........and was still the creator.

Did Jesus glean cornfields with the disciples? You and I both know that that was an agrarian social welfare provision in the Law of Moses. We also know how the disciples didn't amass wealth and property and in fact the early church, led by the Holy Ghost, sold everything they owned to provide for each man according to his need. Honestly, I think Christ's economic perspective wouldn't jive too well with some folks. Jesus would tell us...we are our brother's keeper.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Neither McCain or Obama are anywhere near as bad as Hitler. My wife comes from a Jewish family and....they're voting for Obama. To compare Hitler to average politicians is to minimize the real evil he inflicted on the masses. Neither McCain or Obama would ever do such a thing.

You have no real understanding of history. It will happen again, may not be Obama or McCain but some man in the near future will get up and promise change, hope, work wonders and will inflict upon humanity pain and suffering the likes of which the world has never seen.

Your wifes family are deceived, this guy will abandon Israel and will settle the Middle East Issue at the expense of Israel's security. Every minority group in the world will come and Obama will right their wrongs.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Did Jesus glean cornfields with the disciples? You and I both know that that was an agrarian social welfare provision in the Law of Moses. We also know how the disciples didn't amass wealth and property and infact the early church sold everything they owned to provide for each man according to his need. Honestly, I think Christ's economic perspective wouldn't jive too well with some folks. Jesus would tell us...we are our brother's keeper.

Remember the parable of the workers in the field? They each recieved what they negociated with the owner for. Some worked for the entire day and some for an hour and each got paid the same.

When the early christians each gave there posessions to the greater cause it was voluntary and not enforced. It was also not for the 'norm' but for a specific need.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Did Jesus glean cornfields with the disciples? You and I both know that that was an agrarian social welfare provision in the Law of Moses. We also know how the disciples didn't amass wealth and property and in fact the early church, led by the Holy Ghost, sold everything they owned to provide for each man according to his need. Honestly, I think Christ's economic perspective wouldn't jive too well with some folks. Jesus would tell us...we are our brother's keeper.

It didnt work in the first church, man's base insticts still took over. Even in that scenario they gave willingly, spirit led not mandated or confiscated by a government agency.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Antipas

I believe both extremes are evil. Merely the right and left hands of darkness.

I think the answers for what America needs politically is a very narrow path right down through the middle. A centrism if you will.

You might say you consider both extremes evil, but that comes across like just lip service. You seem to bash the "right wing" frequently around here, but never the left wing. In fact, you've never even used the term "left wing" once in any of your posts on AFF up to this point.

So you may say you favor centrism, but from your own words here on AFF, your political stance could hardly be considered as being truly "centrist".