JUST PREACHERS MAJOR Crackdown! turning WPF???????

[George]

Originally Posted by StMark

A credible minister just PMed me with this:

Full Preterists believe all prophecy was fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus' Second Coming
Full Preterism holds that Jesus' Second Coming is to be viewed not as a future-to-us bodily return, but rather a "return" in glory manifested by the physical destruction of Jerusalem and her Temple in AD 70 by foreign armies in a manner similar to various Old Testament descriptions of God coming to destroy other nations in righteous judgment.

Full Preterism also holds that the Resurrection of the dead did not entail the raising of the physical body, but rather the resurrection of the soul from the "place of the dead", known as Sheol (Hebrew) or Hades (Greek). As such, the righteous dead obtained a spiritual and substantial body for use in the heavenly realm, and the unrighteous dead were cast into the Lake of Fire.

Some Full Preterists believe this judgment is ongoing and takes effect upon the death of each individual (Heb. 9:27).The New Heavens and the New Earth are also equated with the New Covenant and the fulfillment of the Law in AD 70 and are to be viewed in the same manner by which a Christian is considered a "new creation" upon his or her conversion.

Anyone who believes that nonsense is believing a lie and will be damned.

P.S. Mark, I made it clear at post #263 I would never respond to Evang. Benincasa again. Obviously, he missed that one or didn't comprehend it. He has asked you the same questions over and over. He seems to be a person desperate to have control.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by George

Believing such doctrine must have started with a lack of Biblical comprehension.

This man has made several false statements and believes he is right. I find it sad. He accuses you of having too much time on your hands yet he has been on this thread for over 10 hours. If his avatar is a picture of his family I find that really sad. At least, Mark, you are single and don't have children needing care.

not to mention it's almost 3:30am where he lives ...umm

[StMark]

Originally Posted by George

Anyone who believes that nonsense is believing a lie and will be damned.

Preach it now!!!!

[George]

Originally Posted by StMark

not to mention it's almost 3:30am where he lives ...umm

Do you think his wife and kids are on vacation? I hope so. If not, it is really serious. They need emotional provision as much as material. Scripture says a man that doesn't provide for his own is the same as an infidel. His poor wife probably had to cook, clean, help the kids with homework, give them baths, put them to bed, and they never knew there was a husband/dad present. If he lives in a state where you can marry "subject A" and "subject B" he could marry his computer.

[George]

Originally Posted by StMark

Preach it now!!!!

Don't get me started. This is one of those nights I'd be like a two-tape Morgan.

[StMark]

Official United Pentecostal Church (UPC) Position on Preterism

By Official Resolution from the 2005 Conference

"We reject preterist notions"

Position Papers

THE COMING OF THE LORD
In this increasingly post-denominational world there is decreasing emphasis on doctrinal teaching. In such a climate, mention of the second coming of the Lord is often absent from songs, teaching, and preaching. Even in the Oneness Pentecostal church, there has sometimes been a de-emphasis on this important doctrine, leading to apathy and in some cases acceptance of erroneous teaching. One false teaching, generally termed preterism, alleges that the coming of the Lord was fulfilled in the first century. Preterists teach that most, if not all, of the scriptural prophecies of the coming of the Lord addressed judgment upon the Jews, which culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

While the UPCI allows diversity in views regarding the timing of the second coming of the Lord, particularly with reference to the Tribulation, the expectation of the soon return of the Lord is integral to our identity as a movement. In fact, the modern Pentecostal movement was reborn at the beginning of the twentieth century out of the anticipation that the Lord wanted to prepare His bride for His soon return. We believe that when the New Testament speaks of the "soon" return of the Lord, it gives this promise to assure the church of its future hope. Paul expressed this anticipation, for although he expected martyrdom, he promised that a crown was not merely waiting for him alone, but for all those who love His appearing. (See II Timothy 4:8)

We reject preterist notions that the prophecies of Revelation 4-19 were fulfilled prior to A.D. 70, that Satan is bound, and that we are now living during the thousand years described in Revelation 20. As Oneness Pentecostals, we believe that Revelation 4-19 refers to events that are yet future and that New Testament prophecies of the return of Christ are literal, still to be fulfilled. Further, while Israel has been blinded in part, there will come a time when they will be grafted in again (Romans 11: 17-26). We look forward to a time when the church will reign with Christ in the Millennium, a time when Christ will reign supreme and will restore peace on the earth.

The early church universally believed the prophecies of Revelation and the promise of the return of Christ to be future and not past. It was the medieval church that formally did away with a futurist reading of the Book of Revelation and taught that the church was living in the Millennium. As Oneness Pentecostals, we reject any new "revelation" which suggests that the consistent teaching of the ancient and modern Oneness Pentecostal church is in error and that the medieval teaching is in fact correct. We are looking for the catching away of the saints, the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to earth, the establishing of Christ's millennial kingdom, and ultimately the institution of the new heaven, the new earth, and the New Jerusalem.


Resolutions:
WHEREAS the close of the New Testament canon contains Christ's threefold assurance, "I come quickly" (Revelation 22:7,12, 20); and

WHEREAS the hope of His soon return served to fuel the expansion and evangelical urgency of both the early Church and succeeding generations of true believers; and

WHEREAS the anticipation of His second coming was partly responsible for the resurgence of the apostles' doctrine in modern times and was integrated into the Articles of Faith of most Pentecostal organizations including that of the United Pentecostal Church International; and

WHEREAS the teaching of preterism seeks to shift attention from the soon coming of the Lord and of His establishment of a future Kingdom on the earth; and

WHEREAS the General Board of the United Pentecostal Church International along with the Unity of the Faith Commission have examined this doctrine and found that it conflicts with several of the Articles of Faith including, but not limited to, the Translation of Saints, the Second Coming, The Millennium, and Eternal Judgment;

Therefore be it RESOLVED that Article VII, Section 2, Paragraph 7 be modified to read as follows:

"License or Certificate of Ordination shall not be issued to anyone who teaches the doctrine of unconditional eternal security, and/or annihilation of the wicked dead, and/or the divine or heavenly flesh of Christ, (defined as that the flesh of Jesus Christ had no biological or genetic relationship to other human beings), and/or all forms of preterism. (Please see the pertinent position paper for a more detailed definition)."

[George]

Originally Posted by StMark

Official United Pentecostal Church (UPC) Position on Preterism

By Official Resolution from the 2005 Conference

"We reject preterist notions"

Position Papers

THE COMING OF THE LORD
In this increasingly post-denominational world there is decreasing emphasis on doctrinal teaching. In such a climate, mention of the second coming of the Lord is often absent from songs, teaching, and preaching. Even in the Oneness Pentecostal church, there has sometimes been a de-emphasis on this important doctrine, leading to apathy and in some cases acceptance of erroneous teaching. One false teaching, generally termed preterism, alleges that the coming of the Lord was fulfilled in the first century. Preterists teach that most, if not all, of the scriptural prophecies of the coming of the Lord addressed judgment upon the Jews, which culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

While the UPCI allows diversity in views regarding the timing of the second coming of the Lord, particularly with reference to the Tribulation, the expectation of the soon return of the Lord is integral to our identity as a movement. In fact, the modern Pentecostal movement was reborn at the beginning of the twentieth century out of the anticipation that the Lord wanted to prepare His bride for His soon return. We believe that when the New Testament speaks of the "soon" return of the Lord, it gives this promise to assure the church of its future hope. Paul expressed this anticipation, for although he expected martyrdom, he promised that a crown was not merely waiting for him alone, but for all those who love His appearing. (See II Timothy 4:8)

We reject preterist notions that the prophecies of Revelation 4-19 were fulfilled prior to A.D. 70, that Satan is bound, and that we are now living during the thousand years described in Revelation 20. As Oneness Pentecostals, we believe that Revelation 4-19 refers to events that are yet future and that New Testament prophecies of the return of Christ are literal, still to be fulfilled. Further, while Israel has been blinded in part, there will come a time when they will be grafted in again (Romans 11: 17-26). We look forward to a time when the church will reign with Christ in the Millennium, a time when Christ will reign supreme and will restore peace on the earth.

The early church universally believed the prophecies of Revelation and the promise of the return of Christ to be future and not past. It was the medieval church that formally did away with a futurist reading of the Book of Revelation and taught that the church was living in the Millennium. As Oneness Pentecostals, we reject any new "revelation" which suggests that the consistent teaching of the ancient and modern Oneness Pentecostal church is in error and that the medieval teaching is in fact correct. We are looking for the catching away of the saints, the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to earth, the establishing of Christ's millennial kingdom, and ultimately the institution of the new heaven, the new earth, and the New Jerusalem.


Resolutions:
WHEREAS the close of the New Testament canon contains Christ's threefold assurance, "I come quickly" (Revelation 22:7,12, 20); and

WHEREAS the hope of His soon return served to fuel the expansion and evangelical urgency of both the early Church and succeeding generations of true believers; and

WHEREAS the anticipation of His second coming was partly responsible for the resurgence of the apostles' doctrine in modern times and was integrated into the Articles of Faith of most Pentecostal organizations including that of the United Pentecostal Church International; and

WHEREAS the teaching of preterism seeks to shift attention from the soon coming of the Lord and of His establishment of a future Kingdom on the earth; and

WHEREAS the General Board of the United Pentecostal Church International along with the Unity of the Faith Commission have examined this doctrine and found that it conflicts with several of the Articles of Faith including, but not limited to, the Translation of Saints, the Second Coming, The Millennium, and Eternal Judgment;

Therefore be it RESOLVED that Article VII, Section 2, Paragraph 7 be modified to read as follows:

"License or Certificate of Ordination shall not be issued to anyone who teaches the doctrine of unconditional eternal security, and/or annihilation of the wicked dead, and/or the divine or heavenly flesh of Christ, (defined as that the flesh of Jesus Christ had no biological or genetic relationship to other human beings), and/or all forms of preterism. (Please see the pertinent position paper for a more detailed definition)."

That sounds good to me.

Didn't the African pastor from Ethiopia believe that preterism stuff?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by George

Do you think his wife and kids are on vacation? I hope so. If not, it is really serious. They need emotional provision as much as material. Scripture says a man that doesn't provide for his own is the same as an infidel. His poor wife probably had to cook, clean, help the kids with homework, give them baths, put them to bed, and they never knew there was a husband/dad present. If he lives in a state where you can marry "subject A" and "subject B" he could marry his computer.

WELL George, I do know one thing, you would never treat your spouse like that. In fact, you have one of the most awesome families I've ever seen or known! your kids are beautiful, smart and well balanced.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by George

That sounds good to me.

Didn't the African pastor from Ethiopia believe that preterism stuff?

I think it was something a little similar but a little different too.
Teklamariam teaches gnosticm (Sp?). Jesus was not really born
of a Virgin. he just appeared. He didn't have any human flesh.

I think it's called " the divine flesh " doctrine.


WEIRD STUFF GEORGE!

[George]

Originally Posted by StMark

WELL George, I do know one thing, you would never treat your spouse like that. In fact, you have one of the most awesome families I've ever seen or known! your kids are beautiful, smart and well balanced.

Thanks for the kind words. We have had over 25 years of wedded bliss.