"Joe the Plumber" actually isn't.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by 1399

we're talking about a 3% tax hike.

When you're already paying 20% of your income or more in state & federal taxes, another 3% isn't anything to wink at.

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

People can nitpick about this guy's plumbing license all they want, and mock him for not being a "real plumber" ,etc... but they're missing the larger point.
Fact is, there are numerous people like him: "Joe the Plumber" , Joe Electrician, and Joe Landscaper etc who are going to be hurt by having to pay higher taxes.
To some people, $250,000 a year might sound like a lot of money. But if "Joe" has 3 kids (who he's trying to save for college for), a wife, a mortgage, 2 car notes, and a small business he's trying to keep afloat in this economy, raising his taxes is a huge burden.

Not that it makes any difference at all, but just fyi, Joe only has one kid

By the way, you have to know that Joe is all over the news here in Toledo. You should check out our local TV stations. Personally, I've only watched it on 13abc and was disgusted by the way they went after the man.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/index

http://nbc24.com/

http://www.wtol.com/

http://www.myfoxtoledo.com/myfox/

Joe lives less than 15 miles away from me.

MissBratt, ask the Dennis's about Holland. That's where Antioch Apostolic Church is located

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

You and you're silly, old, tired trickle down economic talk, DB.

Since you didn't address it, may we assume that you conceded that trickle-down economic theory has been proven correct by the Reagan budget and tax reforms?

Obama wants to give us trickle-up poverty with his notions of increasing taxes and deficit spending during a RECESSION.

History is important. It is especially important in economics. As is the ability to consider the unseen consequences of an action.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by 1399

For every 1 Joe the Plumber who actually has to "work hard" for his 250k, if and when he gets to that point, there are 20 fat cats who live off of "the fat of the land", who's idea of "hard work" happens in some executive office in Manhattan or LA.

Joe the Plumber is a straw man-- the real issue is that the WEALTHY who are able to afford more taxes should pay more taxes.

That's not a grand departure from our American government, is not socialism as I know it, but is fair and realistic.

Why should I work 25 years to own a successful business and then share my wealth, as Obama puts it, oh I forgot, it's my patriotic obligation. Again as Obama puts it. I don't owe the middle class anything. Let them work for it as I have. Up until Obama's time I have been middle class, he just promoted me because my business made enough money.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Makes no difference. "Joe the Plumber" became a metaphor for any and all working class people who are trying to live the American dream that BOs tax policies will apply to.

It's as if you were standing overlooking the Grand Canyon and saying "I think what draws people to this site is the great Arizona weather." You miss the obvious.

deacon blues- Your posts on Obama on the various threads have been right on. This analagy is perfect.

Alot of other great posts from other posters too.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Then lets raise yours 3% and see how you like it.

1399 it is sooo easy to spend other people's money, isn't it?

Say, would you like to run for Congress?

It's not easy to spend other people's money. If I run for Congress, I'll let AFF know about it.

I see nothing wrong with increasing the taxes on the wealthy. When I am wealthy, I'll look forward to being that much more of a positive contribution to our society.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Since you didn't address it, may we assume that you conceded that trickle-down economic theory has been proven correct by the Reagan budget and tax reforms?

Obama wants to give us trickle-up poverty with his notions of increasing taxes and deficit spending during a RECESSION.

History is important. It is especially important in economics. As is the ability to consider the unseen consequences of an action.

Michael Savage?

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Michael Savage?

Yes Ma'am

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

Yeah it counts for something I guess. Maybe we should rename him "Joe the Wannabe Plumber".

I think it's funny that such a big deal was made about him, when he isn't even licensed, he's the subject of two tax lien's, and the local plumber's union leader claims, "he's playing games with the world."

I bet the guy wishes they'd never mentioned his name last night.

He's just an unlicensed plumber, still doing plumbing work.

The real point is that Obama has Marxist tendencies with his redistribution of wealth ideas. Take from the productive and give to those who aren't? Sounds communist to me.

[SOUNWORTHY]

If Joe can fix my leaky plumbing, he's a plumber.