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Originally Posted by Carpenter
I said I was the first one to use it. I will concede the word invent, you don't really invent words, you derive words. You are calling me on the latin form of Apostolic, this is out of context to the discussion.
I used it to describe the Apostolic population at large because people kept calling me on characterizing all of Apostolica as the UPC when I referred to a certain practice.
I am not offended that I am much smarter than you...and Daniel so its ok.
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
Actually...I think I was the first one who used the word Apostolica...I think I may have invented it...actually. I...didn't mean for it to peg Apostolic beliefs as myths, I coined it...as something that applies across the board universally to Apostolic people. Apostolica is people, not an abstract notion.
I am honestly honored that Dan would use a word I invented.  |
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
If you read way back I first used it and several people asked me what it meant.
...sheesh, ask Renda.
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Let's look at the facts:
1. You did make assertions of coining and inventing the word Apostolica in at least two statements.
2. You demonstrated pride in others such as myself using a word you coined/invented/derived.
3. You appealed to an "authority" (Renda) in trying to substantiate your claim.
4. You then retracted/spinned/squirmed saying words are not invented but derived ... hence you derived the word Apostolica to mean a group of people not an abstract notion. Still claiming somehow proprietary rights to a term that is used in
various contexts other than the one you seem to want to make the word to mean.
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Now more myths that need to be addressed, my sub-erudite friend:
1. Many words are invented everyday.
In the world of lexicography, there is the art/science of new words created/coined/invented called neologisms.
A neologism (from Greek neo = "new" + logos = "word") is a word that, although devised relatively recently in a specific time period, has been accepted into a mainstream language.
By definition, neologisms are "new", and as such are often directly attributable to a specific individual, publication, period, or event. The term "neologism" was coined in 1803, [1] so in the early nineteenth century, the word "neologism"—was a neologism.
Source:
http://wapedia.mobi/en/neologism
Furthermore, the word invent connotes producing or contrivjng (something previously unknown) by the use of ingenuity or imagination ... yet from a source that has existed ...
Hence ... closely tied to
deriving which means to obtain or receive from a source ... to infer or deduce.
2. Words by their definition are values given to abstract notions or concrete/tangible elements. The people you seek to describe in the word you claim to describe .... admittedly are a group people who are part of the Apostolic church.
If this be true ... than you, sir, are falsely owning the term Apostolica which has been used to describe the Apostolic church by many a scholar for generations in our vernacular.
We may disagree who this Church is today ... as everyone from Mormons, Catholics, OPs to Baptists stake claim ...
nonetheless ... all believe that the first century church would be part of
Apostolica ...
Here is one scholar who uses it IN THE EARLY 1800'S to describe the Apostolic church in similar context to how we are using to describe the Apostolic church:
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Source:
The history of theThe history of the Acts of the holy apostles confirmed from other authors
By Richard Biscoe
Published by , 1829
Original from Oxford University
Digitized Aug 30, 2007
http://books.google.com/books?id=e38...esult#PPA54,M1
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What I see transpiring here is a pathetic paradox with a seemingly bright young man ....
You have fallen into the trap of the very conservatives you've lambasted in the past ... in believing that WE'VE JUST ARRIVED.
*** This all said and done w/ a public school education ... and a BA and MS in History and Education respectively. *****
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