Depression and mourning a loss

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I personally believe what is stated above is completely natural. I also believe some medicate when what they are going through is completely normal and if someone, counselor, pastor or friend can help them get past the four stages and final get to the acceptance they'll be fine.

Its when someone gets "stuck" in one of those four categories and can't get through them to finally accept and move on that it becomes a problem.

The first part is literature, the second part, I totally agree with. Sadly, folks want a microwave solution to their problem so they can get on with their lives instead of investing in themselves, and for the sake of their families, to understand what is going on in their thinking.

Trust me, I am in a business where I work with clinically and physiologically depressed people on a daily basis, and medication does help so that they can function in every day life instead of ending up spending every day with Jack and the Chief.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

"I thought that was pretty good even coming from a Lutheran..."

You don't know me well enough by now to know I was joking for the sake of those who think that Lutherans are nothing more than a splinter off the harlot church?

Cmon man!

I loves my Lutheran brothers!

In fact, one of the finest Christian men I know has deep roots in the Lutheran church. Thank God he got the Holy Ghost and now goes to an independent Charasmatic Church.

[marthaolivia]

Within 18 months I lost 2 sisters, a great-grandbaby and nephew. My doctor had given me a prescription for anti depressants & sleeping pills and after taking a couple of them, I threw them away since they had a really adverse effect on me. My pastor and church kept me in their prayers through it all. God gave me strength to make it.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Carp,

Depression is one of five steps in grief or mourning which is when someone loses something. That loss can be anything - not just physical death. Loss of a loved one, divorce, rejection of a child or family member, job, a church, the list could go on and on.

The five steps can be experienced in in order and even repeated before the acceptance really sets in - which is when the healing occurs.


2) ANGER

We get angry. The anger can manifest itself in many ways. We can blame others for our loss. We can become easily agitated having emotional outbursts. We can even become angry with ourselves. Care must be taken here not to turn this anger inwards. Release of this anger is a far better way to cope with grief in my experience.



I personally believe what is stated above is completely natural. I also believe some medicate when what they are going through is completely normal and if someone, counselor, pastor or friend can help them get past the four stages and final get to the acceptance they'll be fine without medication.

Its when someone gets "stuck" in one of those four categories and can't get through them to finally accept and move on that it becomes a problem.

I have experienced extreme depression in the past and anti-depressants probably saved my life. But as soon as I felt like I could deal with life again, I discontinued them, I never liked how I felt while taking them.

I am personally going through stage 2 of the five steps right now, over a situation in my life, actually rage would probably be a better descriptor than anger. But for me, I would not want to take medication again unless I felt that I could not cope.

However, I am firmly behind the use of it when it is needed, I think people in the church tend to turn mental/emotional issues into spiritual ones far more than they should.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

You don't know me well enough by now to know I was joking for the sake of those who think that Lutherans are nothing more than a splinter off the harlot church?

Cmon man!

I loves my Lutheran brothers!

In fact, one of the finest Christian men I know has deep roots in the Lutheran church. Thank God he got the Holy Ghost and now goes to an independent Charasmatic Church.

I guess I should have known...

Suppose I am a bit touchy. I have a friend who is a Lutheran pastor... does not speak in tongues and is not Charismatic, that not withstanding, I consider the man one fine Christian brother.

[Jekyll]

Of course, the UPC is a good source for depression and the mourning the loss of freedom.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Of course, the UPC is a good source for depression and the mourning the loss of freedom.

The UPC is not a good source of depression, it is what happens in the UPC that causes depression and the loss of freedom.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

The UPC is not a good source of depression, it is what happens in the UPC that causes depression and the loss of freedom.

Thanks for 'splaining that - some only read through

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

The UPC is not a good source of depression, it is what happens in the UPC that causes depression and the loss of freedom.

Of course, only in the UPC does this phenomenon take place. I know you weren't trying to convey this, but, when these things are brought up of course the bath water that is thrown out isn't absent of the toddler.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Of course, only in the UPC does this phenomenon take place. I know you weren't trying to convey this, but, when these things are brought up of course the bath water that is thrown out isn't absent of the toddler.

For some of us, the UPC experience has been a horrible source of depression and loss. I hope that you do not feel that your good experiences are minimized by my simply stating what happened to me in mine.