First, I don't make the jump that he is demon possessed.
Second, and this really is the issue here for me, regardless of what TB had in mind I do think people who responded in faith to God, not to TB, could be saved or healed. That doesn't mean God went out of his way to use TB, but rather in spite of what TB may have had in mind God could use his (I would guess your talking about TB?) words to convict people.
You still can't get away that you believe that God uses a liar in spite of himself. In your post you still manage to give your boy some credit.
Jesus does it alone all by Himself, if you went back and read my posts you would see how God doesn't need to use us as His vessels. But you won't do that. Again, if you believe TB is a joker, then why the rip snorting fight?
Why don't you explain that one?
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt NOT HARKEN unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul."
There is NO outpouring of God over at the Lakeland Revival but an outpouring of demons.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Your food is nothing more than bread and water. Just for the record when I was in the world I would of never went for any goof ball with earings and tattoos preaching about an Angel telling him to heal people.
But here's a hypothetical situation:
Big freaky dude is up on a stage telling a bunch of bikers who felt to check out the Jesus stuff, that he represents an Angel that performs miracles.
One of the Bros, has the idea to jump on stage to try the tattooed man's claims out.
Well, this big large tattooed dude wines up and runs at the Biker and kicks the biker in the chest. After the big tattooed dude busts the biker in the chest with his foot, the rest of the bikers jump up and storm the stage.
The cops come and calm the place down and make arrests.
Now for the facts:
There is NO outpouring in Lakeland Revival.
None, nada, zip.
Todd Bentley was NEVER used by God, to heal anyone at the Lakeland revival.
You still can't get away that you believe that God uses a liar in spite of himself. In your post you still manage to give your boy some credit.
Jesus does it alone all by Himself, if you went back and read my posts you would see how God doesn't need to use us as His vessels. But you won't do that. Again, if you believe TB is a joker, then why the rip snorting fight?
Why don't you explain that one?
When was the last time Jesus preached in your church? I am betting he never has. He uses men. God may not NEED to use us but he does.
What I think about TB is as irrelevant as what you think about him. I have not pretended to speak for God, nor will I. The fact remains God does use flawed humans even ones that their entire purpose is to deceive and take from others. God can use whatever and whomever he wants and not everyone who comes to God comes by way of a preacher who is living right.
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before TB was found out, he was hurting the christian faith. by his actions.
does that mean nobody could be around him and still find God? NO
but should we then put that person finding God or being healed to TB's credit?
The fact is, by any christian standard, even more so a Pentecostal standard (all of us even the Trinitarians) TB's antics detract from God they dont add to his glory.
Paul told us what to do with heritics and those that preached some other Gospel.
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So you do believe that God swims through cess pools to do miracles?
That hole is getting deeper as you post.
So when Mormons lay hands on the sick and those sick are healed they are having God's Words confirmed?
Yes I do believe he swims through cesspools to do miracles, if not he wouldn't do them among men. I think you have an opinion of yourself that is much higher than it ought to be to think otherwise.
The Scripture says if you ask for the Holy Spirit you will be given the Holy Spirit. Only the sickest of humans gives a stone in place of bread. For you to attribute demonic possession to people seeking God borders on blasphemy.
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"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow." ~Aesop
When was the last time Jesus preached in your church? I am betting he never has. He uses men. God may not NEED to use us but he does.
So you are saying that God used Todd Bentley? Is this what you are saying?
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What I think about TB is as irrelevant as what you think about him.
It is relevant to our discussion. Since you and I got into this tango over this issue.
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I have not pretended to speak for God, nor will I.
Why not? After making this statement....
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When was the last time Jesus preached in your church? I am betting he never has. He uses men. God may not NEED to use us but he does.
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The fact remains God does use flawed humans even ones that their entire purpose is to deceive and take from others. God can use whatever and whomever he wants and not everyone who comes to God comes by way of a preacher who is living right.
Wow, I do need to use large font!
Listen we are told in the Bible to prove them that preach because many false prophets are out in the World. This isn't a hit or miss situation, we are admonished to be sure of those who are made bishops or deacons.
We are also told to KNOW them who labor among us?
Then we are admonished to rebuke false teachers and prophets, and excommunicate and mark them that cause division that is contrary to doctrine.
God can use even animals to get His point across, but He gives us His Word and His guiding Spirit so that we can see what is real and what is counterfeit.
Ministers are to help us, they are not popes but are elders who are able to help teach. Jesus is the one who teaches us and leads us into all Truth.
Jesus heals us not any man, Jesus teaches us and guides us, no man can take that honor.
Even when Daniel was telling the King about the King's dream he said this...
"But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart."
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
So you are saying that God used Todd Bentley? Is this what you are saying?
It is relevant to our discussion. Since you and I got into this tango over this issue.
Why not? After making this statement....
Wow, I do need to use large font!
Listen we are told in the Bible to prove them that preach because many false prophets are out in the World. This isn't a hit or miss situation, we are admonished to be sure of those who are made bishops or deacons.
We are also told to KNOW them who labor among us?
Then we are admonished to rebuke false teachers and prophets, and excommunicate and mark them that cause division that is contrary to doctrine.
God can use even animals to get His point across, but He gives us His Word and His guiding Spirit so that we can see what is real and what is counterfeit.
Ministers are to help us, they are not popes but are elders who are able to help teach. Jesus is the one who teaches us and leads us into all Truth.
Jesus heals us not any man, Jesus teaches us and guides us, no man can take that honor.
Even when Daniel was telling the King about the King's dream he said this...
"But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart."
I honestly see nothing here worthy of a response, just letting you know I am not ignoring you.
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"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow." ~Aesop
Yes I do believe he swims through cesspools to do miracles, if not he wouldn't do them among men. I think you have an opinion of yourself that is much higher than it ought to be to think otherwise.
You are going to great lengths to win an argument. God doesn't use false prophets to preach and teach. Then it would make no sense for Jesus to say if the blind lead the blind they would BOTH fall into a ditch. John warning against those false prophets and Peter speaking about those who would wrest the scriptures. You have a lot of people out there going astray, and you are teaching that God will sort it out, after individuals like Todd Bentley trashes someone out.
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The Scripture says if you ask for the Holy Spirit you will be given the Holy Spirit. Only the sickest of humans gives a stone in place of bread. For you to attribute demonic possession to people seeking God borders on blasphemy.
Again here you go defending the Lakeland Revival! My lands you can't keep it together. Your hole is getting deeper.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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