Don't tell me it's a bunch of hogwash. I've been defending people who trust God for their healing for the last 3 days, and specifically defended three men of God I knew who died keeping that belief. In the meantime, people are defending some nutjob who was baptizing people in the name of BAM. I just read where someone actually said he was used of God. I am starting to think Monkeyman has the right idea.
I would agree that this forum has changed to a point that it has been difficult to distinguish it as an Apostolic forum.
For the record, I think Monkeyman has the right idea too. I think it is time for me to find another forum where I don't feel like the minority. I have grown weary reading posts after posts where members side with charismatics and ministries that don't uphold Acts 2:38.
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Isaiah 53:5: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."(KJV)
"God sends no one away empty except those who are full of themselves." Dwight L. Moody
...while their husbands grew their's over the collar.
EB your fingers have been busy this afternoon and I agree with a lot of what you've posted on both threads about the charlatans and the state of charasmatic christian circles, but are you really serious about the above quoted text.
Surely, your not somehow asserting that the length of the male preacher's hair in these circles was some sort of contributing factor to all the error.
I'm interested to see if your were just poking fun or if your view is more sincere.
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In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity. Augustine
Yes, people want something real! Are we just figuring that out? Jesus is real. Salvation is real. Living for God is real. Isn't it about time the church of God showed the world that having the Holy Ghost is joy unspeakable?
Instead, all the apostolic folks want to do is bicker and argue amongst each other over the most trivial matters under the sun. When that gets challenged, it's time to walk out or start another forum. It's a travesty and a sham in itself.
When we can love one another, respect one another and display what true holiness is; then and only then can we become a good witness for God. And I've seen very little of this here or in any of the forums in the last year or so.
EB your fingers have been busy this afternoon and I agree with a lot of what you've posted on both threads about the charlatans and the state of charasmatic christian circles, but are you really serious about the above quoted text.
Surely, your not somehow asserting that the length of the male preacher's hair in these circles was some sort of contributing factor to all the error.
I'm interested to see if your were just poking fun or if your view is more sincere.
What do you need a haircut?
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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Yes, people want something real! Are we just figuring that out? Jesus is real. Salvation is real. Living for God is real. Isn't it about time the church of God showed the world that having the Holy Ghost is joy unspeakable?
Instead, all the apostolic folks want to do is bicker and argue amongst each other over the most trivial matters under the sun. When that gets challenged, it's time to walk out or start another forum. It's a travesty and a sham in itself.
When we can love one another, respect one another and display what true holiness is; then and only then can we become a good witness for God. And I've seen very little of this here or in any of the forums in the last year or so.
DBoy, the fighting won't stop, because people won't settle for the sloppy agape anymore. They have had it with the false promises and loose relationships that are found in mainstream churches. They want the real Holy Ghost and not the phoney ghost. They want to be told the straight up deal and not the pablum puking soft sell.
If you want us to get sticky sweet on here you're backing up, let us do what we are supposed to do. That is discuss the issues at hand and talk about "what is Truth?"
Some very cool relationships have been formed on this forum ever since the FCF, NFCF, days. We might get into it but we all can still remain in peace.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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I would agree that this forum has changed to a point that it has been difficult to distinguish it as an Apostolic forum.
For the record, I think Monkeyman has the right idea too. I think it is time for me to find another forum where I don't feel like the minority. I have grown weary reading posts after posts where members side with charismatics and ministries that don't uphold Acts 2:38.
Don't leave yet.
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~Declaration of Independence
Not at all, Bro. As a matter of fact I'm a 2 on the side and 4 on the top every 3 weeks kinda guy. I'm just pretty sure that I caught you throwing around your opinion as some some kind of biblical fact again. Surely a guy like you who's spent all afternoon defending and quoting scripture wouldn't want to be in error.
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My dear prayer warrior Brother, I thank you very much.
I teach this, when you only wash and wax one fender of a car it makes the rest of the car look even more filthy.
Some like to call every swinging joker a Christian, and that's what the World really doesn't like about mainstream American Churchanity. They can't stand how the mainstream Christians won't stand for anything. Again we see yet another smoked entertainer like all the others who gave the Gospel a bad rap get what he deserved. Do we do a happy dance over this individuals situation, no! But we don't embrace his antics and paste Jesus Christ across its forehead.
Jim and Tammy Faye Baker didn't come before us dressed in black t-shirts and tattoos, they came looking like nice calm people. After they started to make money they became more and more flamboyant, the same goes with Crouch and his chaotic looking wife.
Jim Bakker put a bullet right through American Churchanity, and John Q Public sat back in his living room and said typical. Another so-called "Christian didn't let us down" they did just we expected him to do LIE.
They asked for money a lot back in the 1980s, and John Q Public was scratching his head trying to figure out what these guys needed the money for. Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye broke up and Tammy found another man and Jim wrote a book and found a another wife.
Then Jimmy Swaggart got tagged by another preacher for trolling around Baton Rouge and its prostitutes. Talk about dirtying up the place where you eat. Jimmy's total disregard for his Brother man was louder than an atomic warhead as it ripped through American Churchanity. The fallout was huge and John Q Public recoiled at the sound of every televangelist.
Amazing? Not really, it's typical, and every Apostolic One God Holiness preacher warned America about what would come from Televangelism.
Ted Haggard, by the time this devil worshiper graced the silver screen in the documentry Jesus Camp he was already the bell of the ball with all the boys.
Ted Haggard confessed that he was a sweetheart at muscles a go go, for years, before Jesus laid him low and exposed his demonic behavior.
What did John Q Public do? Nothing but yawn, and say typical. No fallout, nothing in the sort. The individual who was Ted Haggard's boyfriend wrote a book and it did nothing. Why? Because America is done with the whole American Churchanity Cruzeematic Flakey Fake spew thrown before them.
Randy and Paula White were next to follow and it was nothing more than a white flash before our eyes. They were being investigated and low and behold the two mega rich couple decided to liquidate and separate?
Whatever, the Lord showed the two entertainers what they were really about.
John Q Public didn't even notice, and Juanita Bynum and her husband slugging it out? People at the press meeting thought that was normal behavior for that couple. Now Weeks has lost his home and owes more money than the U.S. owes to China, and Japan.
Now we have Todd "Pierced Lip" Bentley, John Q Public doesn't even know who he is folks, and they don't even care. Todd Bentley was a phoney with the whole gimmick and bells and whistles to boot. Down here in Florida Lakeland revival is a joke and been so for years. Todd Bentley is laughing his head off at all of those spiritual ones who bought his shell game.
Satan calls to Todd and tells him, "well done my good and faithful servant."
Shame and pain, is all these entertainers leave in their wake. People need to call them out and make them respond to the questions, these jokers need to prove that they are real, they need to be held accountable by the citizens who write them checks.
When you pay for something in this country you are supposed to get what you paid for, but we these cast of characters you don't even get a small bag of french fires with the Shake Down.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
BAM!!!!<<<<<<The sound of EB hittin that nail right on the head!!!!!!
This is nothing more than an attack on people who don't see things the way you do Scripturally.
I saw more cheating pastors who left their wives for other women or another man in the UPC, than I have in the Charismatic folks I have been involved with.
Sweet love of God! That "WE" is definitely not with me. You saw more cheating pastors in the UPCI? Where do you live? Sodom?
Thank Jesus that all the preachers I know or have known are still with happy families. I feel for you Baron, no wonder you are so angry. I'd be pretty upset too if I had your experience. My goodness you must of been tripping over the adulterers left and right. Sad.
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Because you take the approach that these people are lost it is easy for you to make broad statements about "charismatics" that are as true about your own fellowship as any other.
If I had a bad experience with Chinese people I might have a problem with all Chinese people?
Excuse, me but just because you had one or two bad horses doesn't mean you stop riding.
On the other hand if you eat raw clams and you didn't like them, then that's just your taste, and there are others who may love them.
You had a very bad experience, and I had a very great experience, as far as I have seen and others around our country will back me up. The television preachers and Charismatic churches are a joke.
So where do you stand, do you no longer attend the UPCI?
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