Obama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Ferd

we have covered this. I stand by the statement.


YOU have said HERE that you are pro choice. ergo....

...you continue spreading the lie that I am pro-abortion.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

the emboldended is a balled faced lie and you need to revise it.

when you decide to be pro-choice, you are called abortionists because you support abortion. when you want to vote for socialists you are called socialists.

NOT by the christian right, but by anyone who can understand that supporting abortion means supporting abortion and supporting socialism means supporting socialism.

please retract the statement.

Ferd, I take direct and deep offense at being called an abortionist. I'm reporting your harassment as soon as I post this.

I stand by the statement and you can't bully me. I do think the Christian Right is using religion as a weapon to manipulate the easily influenced religious voter.

I think some are so afraid to leave the Republican ranks they just can't stand those who have the courage to do so.

I'm not voting Democrat or Republican in the next election. A case can be made that a vote for either party is treason against true American ideals.

Now...I'm reporting you for calling me an abortionist just because I don't agree with you and your Right Wing politics.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

What about his statement do you take issue with? Whether you think it's justified or not, it is an accurate claim. These words are frequently used to describe those who doesn't tow the Christian-Republican party line. I've heard these words used on AFF. Why should he retract? It's true.

If you look closely at his post to me you'll see an example of what I'm talking about in living color....here's what I said...

It's like the Christian Right in America. Same deal. If we express serious disatisfaction with the Christian Right's political positions we are labeled "non-Christians", "pro-aborts", "murderers", "communists", etc.

Here's what Ferd said....

when you decide to be pro-choice, you are called abortionists because you support abortion. when you want to vote for socialists you are called socialists.

Makes you wonder what good some people's religion would be if they didn't get by with bullying and slandering everyone who disagreed with them.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rico

...you continue spreading the lie that I am pro-abortion.

Rico, report him. It's harassment and designed to offend you.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Ferd

the assertion that those that don't toe the line are called these things because they don't toe the line. it is a lie. as I explained. a person may very well get called out for supporting a socialist. (I have done that) but the implication is that it is done with out merit and it done as a tool of the "Christian right"


that is a flat out lie Derrick. As one who has called Aquila out MANY times, I am NOT willing to be mischaracterized.

Hmm. Seems like semantics to me.

On a side note, why would you call a pro-choice advocate pro-abortion if it wasn't in an effort to make a statement? For instance - you know that Rico is not pro-abortion. You know it for a fact. Yet, you use the same old inflammatory language to make your point. It's not stating facts, it's using an emotionally charged comment to try to get a reaction. You may completely disagree with Rico's rationale for being pro-choice, but - let's face it - you calling him pro-abortion is not simply stating a fact. It's making a judgement, and it's an attempt to discredit him as a Christian. It's the same kind of thing as using Osama, Osamanation or Obsama, or oSCAMa, or whatever idiotic name people continue to come up with. It's just so obnoxious. Why can't a conversation occur without the 12-year-old wordplay?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

Hmm. Seems like semantics to me.

On a side note, why would you call a pro-choice advocate pro-abortion if it wasn't in an effort to make a statement? For instance - you know that Rico is not pro-abortion. You know it for a fact. Yet, you use the same old inflammatory language to make your point. It's not stating facts, it's using an emotionally charged comment to try to get a reaction. You may completely disagree with Rico's rationale for being pro-choice, but - let's face it - you calling him pro-abortion is not simply stating a fact. It's making a judgement, and it's an attempt to discredit him as a Christian. It's the same kind of thing as using Osama, Osamanation or Obsama, or oSCAMa, or whatever idiotic name people continue to come up with. It's just so obnoxious. Why can't a conversation occur without the 12-year-old wordplay?

It's the exact tactic I warned about in post #149 that the Right Wing uses to attack anyone who disagrees with them. Ferd gives us an excellent example of the religious manipulation and harassment that's afoot in so called "conservative" Right Wing extremist circles.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If you look closely at his post to me you'll see an example of what I'm talking about in living color....here's what I said...



Here's what Ferd said....



Makes you wonder what good some people's religion would be if they didn't get by with bullying and slandering everyone who disagreed with them.

First of all slander is spoken libel is written, but in any case what he said would first have to be untrue, seeing that we can't get past that, summary judgment in favor of the defendant (that would be Ferd).

Case dismissed.

[Aquila]

Let's apply Ferd's logic in a different way....

China FORCES abortion. To support free trade with China is to support forced abortion as policy. Jesus said that where a man's treasure is his heart will be also. If Ferd enjoys the savings he gets through the free trade with China, in spite of their forced abortion policy, according to Ferd's logic, he himself must be in support of forced abortion policies.

Obviously, Ferd's being unfair to Rico and others who disagree politically. I think it's more likely that Ferd sees the weaknesses and issues with the Republican Party....but he's too afraid to brake ranks with them. Rico's courage to do so intimidates him and so Ferd lashes out and attacks him personally. Ferd should calm down and stop attacking BROTHERS.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

First of all slander is spoken libel is written, but in any case what he said would first have to be untrue, seeing that we can't get past that, summary judgment in favor of the defendant (that would be Ferd).

Case dismissed.

I'm not an abortionist, and neither is Rico. And I rest knowing that you and Ferd will answer to God for every idle word spoken against your brothers. You have NO idea the whys of our politics. Frankly, you don't even know who we're seriously considering voting for if we vote at all.

[Aquila]

Ferd's attacks are unfair to both myself and Rico.