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07-27-2008, 12:00 AM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
What are you replying to?? I have been talking about the principle doctrine for new converts called water baptism, not Godhead theology.
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Doesn't matter if it is godhead theology or a revelation of baptism in Jesus' name. God is still in charge of revelations and we're not. We can preach and teach 'til we're blue in the face, but if God doesn't open the understanding, ain't nuthin' happenin'!
The vast majority of people who don't get it, don't reject it. They just don't get it, that's all. Their understanding hasn't been opened. God could do it in a heart beat, but for some reason doesn't and hasn't on a wide scale. I don't believe for a moment that all those "trinnies" have understood and rejected truth. They just haven't seen it. Again, take it up with God if that is unacceptable. 
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07-27-2008, 12:01 AM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by StMark
Hey you guys be nice to Bill! You may not agree with
his beliefs but it's HIS right to believe it- don't gang up on him.
He's kept a really good attitude. Bill has always been the underdog
on the forums. I think he has a good heart overall - This has
nothing to do with his teachings
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07-27-2008, 12:01 AM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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No fear CC, I found you over on the other thread... it was just in time to save the trip to the window to look for flying pigs.
Hope that Herald doesn't give you papercuts on that massive head of yours.
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Now I am intrigued. Which post over there did you find the "old me" in?
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-27-2008, 12:02 AM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Im sure you just read me saying what THEY say they believe? Did you? Did PP? Let me recap. Trinitarian DOCTRINE states explicitly that they believe in ONE God in number and three in person. THEY state they are monotheists. I am honest and my point to PP is let's at least be honest here. They do not say they believe in three Gods, they say they believe in One God in number, sorry but they really do say that.
Whether or not we can prove that their belief does not make sense and ultimately is polytheistic is a totally different issue than what I just posted
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Prax, we know what they say but what does their doctrine amount to? A God with three personalities!
If we knew a human being with three personalities what is our first response? ...........something is drastically wrong!!!!! and consider that we are created in His image. So why wouldn't we consider that something is drastically wrong with a view of the one true and living God having three personalities? Sure it doesn't fit the definition of polytheism, because their doctrine is honed and polished to look like one God but with three "egos".
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07-27-2008, 12:03 AM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
Gotta crash and preach 2 services tomorrow! Nite all! (preaching on wisdom and how to get it)
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07-27-2008, 12:03 AM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
BTW Oneness doctrine says Jesus is God, but I know many OPs that when you really break it down believe in two Jesus's...one is God and the other is just a man, two persons, one is God and the other is just a man which is really Unitarianism
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Are they lost, Prax?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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07-27-2008, 12:07 AM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Prax, we know what they say but what does their doctrine amount to? A God with three personalities!
If we knew a human being with three personalities what is our first response? ...........something is drastically wrong!!!!! and consider that we are created in His image. So why wouldn't we consider that something is drastically wrong with a view of the one true and living God having three personalities? Sure it doesn't fit the definition of polytheism, because their doctrine is honed and polished to look like one God but with three "egos".
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....here we go again. Mizpeh ALL I said in the beginning to PP was let's at least be honest and admit that their own doctrine states they believe in one God in number. It seems many OPs are afraid to admit that.
Im sure it would make things go a lot smoother if we stopped pointing our fingers at the Trinitarians and going No No, you are a polytheist if we can at least admit to them we understand their doctrine states they believe in One God
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-27-2008, 12:07 AM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Are they lost, Prax?
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why are you asking me that?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-27-2008, 12:09 AM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
If this isn't a case of a pot calling a kettle black................................... 
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07-27-2008, 12:09 AM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
The problem I have with this is that it handicaps the Holy Ghost as not having the power to "lead" someone into all truth. This is problematic to me when I look at men such as David Wilkerson, who by all intense purposes is probably a good man, with a good heart, doing a lot of good for drug attics and others. But yet after all these years, the Holy Ghost has yet to be able to lead him into an understanding of principle doctrines of baptism in Jesus Name. Not dogging DW. Just using him for an example.
What I find funny is that some of you that continue to believe that water baptism is not salvational, but still correct in scripture, never address the issue of the fact that some people either stop being lead by the holy ghost (LOST), or reject the correct mode of water baptism (LOST). So you are left with either a Holy Ghost that didn't do its job, or you are accepting someone as saved that has rejected the truth of the Word.
JMHO
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
You and others are ASSUMING that God, without a doubt, has revealed the oneness to them and that they have rejected it. That is a huge assumption and one that cannot be proven.
God absolutely, could give the entire trinitarian movement a revelation of His oneness, but for some reason hasn't done that. If it were as important to Him as it is to us, it would have been done a long time ago. I don't believe that God is that stingy, stupid or mean.
He is far more concerned about someone surrendering to Him than He is about them being able to pass a doctrinal test on the godhead. |
If you had taken the time to actually read my post, you would have seen that I never mentioned godhead theology, but was speaking about the new testament principle doctrine for new converts called water baptism.
2 things..
1. Its biblical
2. its for NEW converts
So I ask again if in fact God, who biblically set up water baptism in Jesus name for new coverts, would in fact not show this biblical truth to someone
thoughout their whole "Christian" life, and allow then to die without ever showing it to them?
Any one with any logic to them would have to answer that God would in fact show a new convert water baptism prior to any other spiritual matters, as it is for NEW CONVERTS.
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