Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by CC1
I am with you on the first thing but I am afraid you are smoking crack if you think the UPC will ever admit anything they required in the past was wrong.
The whole house of cards that is corporate legalism crashes down if they do that.
The "whole house"... whatever. I don't practice much legalism - to my knowledge at least. Not all who live "conservative" are legalists CC1.
I was at a conference some time ago with a beard and the entire sermon dealt with repenting for offense we have caused others without warrant. They were talking race and economic status etc. It was there that it dawned on me they would likely some day include judging on the appearances we deem to be acceptable - or not.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
I don't understand it. Everyone says that beards are fine, but many of those SAME pastors will ask a member of their staff or music department to shave if they grow one. So which is it? Is it okay, or not?
Make up your minds, and quite frankly, while I understand some of the practical applications, I'm just plain old sick of "platform standards."
Either you believe it or you don't, and what's good for the staff is good for the pew, and if the pew doesn't need to do it to get through the pearly gates, then neither does the platform.
Okay. I'm done now. Just for the record, my rant does NOT have to make sense, and I may have just contradicted some of my earlier posts.
P.S. It has occurred to me in a moment of brilliance (or madness...too close to call), that often "platform standards" are the result of a liberal church trying to keep up appearances so it can remain in the organization of its choice.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I don't understand it. Everyone says that beards are fine, but many of those SAME pastors will ask a member of their staff or music department to shave if they grow one. So which is it? Is it okay, or not?
Make up your minds, and quite frankly, while I understand some of the practical applications, I'm just plain old sick of "platform standards."
Either you believe it or you don't, and what's good for the staff is good for the pew, and if the pew doesn't need to do it to get through the pearly gates, then neither does the platform.
Okay. I'm done now. Just for the record, my rant does NOT have to make sense, and I may have just contradicted some of my earlier posts.
P.S. It has occurred to me in a moment of brilliance (or madness...too close to call), that often "platform standards" are the result of a liberal church trying to keep up appearances so it can remain in the organization of its choice.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
__________________
"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I don't understand it. Everyone says that beards are fine, but many of those SAME pastors will ask a member of their staff or music department to shave if they grow one. So which is it? Is it okay, or not?
Make up your minds, and quite frankly, while I understand some of the practical applications, I'm just plain old sick of "platform standards."
Either you believe it or you don't, and what's good for the staff is good for the pew, and if the pew doesn't need to do it to get through the pearly gates, then neither does the platform.
Okay. I'm done now. Just for the record, my rant does NOT have to make sense, and I may have just contradicted some of my earlier posts.
P.S. It has occurred to me in a moment of brilliance (or madness...too close to call), that often "platform standards" are the result of a liberal church trying to keep up appearances so it can remain in the organization of its choice.
Indeed. I don't think it's about ability to remain so much as "acceptance" among peers.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
P.S. It has occurred to me in a moment of brilliance (or madness...too close to call), that often "platform standards" are the result of a liberal church trying to keep up appearances so it can remain in the organization of its choice.
Ding,ding,ding!!! We have a winner here folks.
I would also add that it is not so much just the org. but the fear of a loss of respect, esteem, fellowship, and probably a little fear that conservative tithe payers might abandon ship if some semblance of old time Pentecost is not kept for at least the platform.
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Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by CC1
I am with you on the first thing but I am afraid you are smoking crack if you think the UPC will ever admit anything they required in the past was wrong.
The whole house of cards that is corporate legalism crashes down if they do that.
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
There you are!!!!
I was begining to believe in alien abductions there for a minute...
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by Brother Price
I am not Daniel, but I would say that Bishop Haywood was a man when, he saw what was in the Bible about the correct mode of baptism, he obeyed it, and then brought his congregation into the same obedience. The fact remains that baptism is not salvational, because in order to do so would imply a man-made element outside the Cross to administer what the Cross gives biblically by faith.
If baptism does not include salvific purpose, than why participate in it? We are to be baptized, "for the remission of sins" thus the clear interpretation of the text let's us know that without baptism there is NO remission of sins and if sins are not taken away - the blood applied - then the sinner is still retaining the sin which Jesus said would be remitted.
Baptism is therefore a scriptural imperative to salvation in that it serves in type Christ's burial and in fact remission of sins.
Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I don't understand it. Everyone says that beards are fine, but many of those SAME pastors will ask a member of their staff or music department to shave if they grow one. So which is it? Is it okay, or not?
Make up your minds, and quite frankly, while I understand some of the practical applications, I'm just plain old sick of "platform standards."
Either you believe it or you don't, and what's good for the staff is good for the pew, and if the pew doesn't need to do it to get through the pearly gates, then neither does the platform.
Okay. I'm done now. Just for the record, my rant does NOT have to make sense, and I may have just contradicted some of my earlier posts.
P.S. It has occurred to me in a moment of brilliance (or madness...too close to call), that often "platform standards" are the result of a liberal church trying to keep up appearances so it can remain in the organization of its choice.
I do not feel that beards or mustaches are a salvation issue. Since I am the pastor of my church and I do control my platform and in places of leadership, I ask that the men be clean shaven since it is what I desire in my church.
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