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07-26-2008, 11:05 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Is the answer to your sermon questions - "An AFF member as a saint"?  |
*BUMP* For Amos & Andy who is probably doing his best to ignore my silly posts but I am not going to let him!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-26-2008, 11:06 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Yes, as it is a witness of the salvation wrought about in that converts life. I believe this as well, but I also believe in grace and mercy, which says that God saves us by grace through faith.
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Bill,
So Water baptism IS a principle doctrine in our bible. Good.
Now lets recap here.
You believe that Jesus name baptism is the correct biblical way to be baptized,
You believe that one must continue in God as best as they know how.
You Believe that water baptism in Jesus name is a principle doctrine.
NOW, do you believe the Holy Ghost will lead an honest seeker into all truth??
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07-26-2008, 11:06 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
why does a pastor need to defend what he said unless he wants to admit what he said was wrong or should have been worded better? ok...lets use the work clarify. In most settings they are preaching to people that stand with them. What I am referring to is when people are directed to certain messages for the enjoyment of ripping it apart. That preacher was preaching to particular people...not to people that don't take their stand.Particularly since that same preacher has preached the same message more than once. He does not need to defend himself nor should he, which is why we took action on those that were trying to denigrate them personally and not rather address the message itself. I believe I know what issue you are referring to....what they did was not right. Why should we allow false doctrine to go unchallenged just because that person is not here too? I don't believe these men are preaching false doctrine. Just because they are taking the high road for holiness does not mean that it is false doctrine. If they are not preaching Acts 2:38, (if they are of that religion) it can be false doctrine.BTW this forum is not closed to them, They are welcome to come here |
Prax....I am not a fighter or whitty with words. I hope I have explained myself because I really am not looking for a war of words. I just know that the men in those circles are unwavering and they don't come here and debate because they realize that you believe what you believe and they believe in that they believe. They are not going to change for you, and your are not going to change for them.
Hope to have many more conversations.....
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07-26-2008, 11:06 PM
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Holy Unto The Lord
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
Thanks. yes, I am back, and I am enjoying it, if not for the sickness. But, God is good.
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07-26-2008, 11:06 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by Brother Price
Sorry Prax. This whatever it is simply is driving me tired and feeling worse.
Luther was the loudest and leader of the reformers. I believe that those who were under the RCC, who were truly repentant of their sins, and believed only in Christ for salvation, even secretly, were saved. The Inquisition showed us that many believers were true believers, and had been for years, and died for their beliefs. In other words, through the heresy of the RCC, God was not without a witness.
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How about those that were secretly baptized in Jesus name? See it works both ways. If there were those secretly in the RCC all those years of "darkness" then there could be some that were baptized in Jesus name and even filled with the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues.
BTW you said "God was without a witness" through all the RCC years...can you name them?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-26-2008, 11:07 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by Brother Price
No Elder, I am not confused, but to condemn all trinitarian believers to Hell on the basis of documents that 99.9% have not read and have no idea what they say is simply taking the place of God as judge.
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Bill the Trinitarians are going to Hell, because they believe that God is three seperate persons, especially Jesus Christ, who they believe is a lesser god.
Study it out for yourself, maybe you will join their crew?
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No, Elder, I am not confuse, and with respect with all, any man who believe they have God figured out totally is sadly mistaken.
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Sweet love of Zion! I hope to never be in the position you are in Billy boy.
You need to sit under some ministry and stay there and never leave.
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oneness is as close as my studies have brought me, but that is just me.
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07-26-2008, 11:08 PM
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Holy Unto The Lord
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Bill,
So Water baptism IS a principle doctrine in our bible. Good.
Now lets recap here.
You believe that Jesus name baptism is the correct biblical way to be baptized,
You believe that one must continue in God as best as they know how.
You Believe that water baptism in Jesus name is a principle doctrine.
NOW, do you believe the Holy Ghost will lead an honest seeker into all truth??
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The best way I can answer that is with the following scripture...
How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF PEACE, WHO BRING GLAD TIDINGS OF GOOD THINGS!" But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. ( Romans 10:14-17)
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07-26-2008, 11:08 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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*BUMP* For Amos & Andy who is probably doing his best to ignore my silly posts but I am not going to let him!
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The sermon is "God's Gift to the Rebellious," not "Rebellion Against God's Gift."
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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07-26-2008, 11:09 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Prax,
I am sure you know that the trinitarian doctrine falls apart when you look at it closely.
One God
3 persons
All Co-equal
all co-eternal
Sorry, but they can say One God all day, but they split that One God into 3 persons, and make them co-eternal. They say co-equal, but then you have Jesus Praying to God the Father, and the Holy Ghost testifying of God the Son. They have a carnal understanding at best of what the bible says. The difference between Oneness and trinity is Revelation, and that happens when folks let the holy ghost lead them into all truth.
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Im sure you just read me saying what THEY say they believe? Did you? Did PP? Let me recap. Trinitarian DOCTRINE states explicitly that they believe in ONE God in number and three in person. THEY state they are monotheists. I am honest and my point to PP is let's at least be honest here. They do not say they believe in three Gods, they say they believe in One God in number, sorry but they really do say that.
Whether or not we can prove that their belief does not make sense and ultimately is polytheistic is a totally different issue than what I just posted
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-26-2008, 11:11 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
BTW Oneness doctrine says Jesus is God, but I know many OPs that when you really break it down believe in two Jesus's...one is God and the other is just a man, two persons, one is God and the other is just a man which is really Unitarianism
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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