The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post

[StMark]

There's a Certain person's name with whom has not been mentioned
let's NOT mention his name but do you think one individual
can gain the power of influence over many is what is believed by
great many on the right????
I am correct about this I know I am

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by StMark

Yes they are partly the blame

If this had happened in person instead of the internet, they maybe could have convinced him to stay through intimidation. Announce from the pulpit that brother so-n-so is being tempted by the enemy. Call him up front and lay hands on him casting out the devil!

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

What? Mark, you haven't seen my posts when I first started here. You ignored me like most seasoned posters. You should've seen me argue with all the liberals about t.v., make-up, and other standards stuff. I will admit that I have softened up on people around here, but that doesn't mean that I would embrace or endorse thier doctrine. I truly enjoy having a dialoge with everyone here. I think Sis Alvear has been an excellent example of how I should be. I won't judge anyone because I don't have the divine right to.

Deep in my heart I have a fear of judging...maybe it is good maybe not...but that is just me...
Most all know I really am considered more than just a con probably UC...however I do not want to be judged by the UC´s or the Liberal´s...I would fail in both areas. I want to be judged by the God that became weak like me,cried over a city,hid at times from the people, prayed for strength in a garden, was tempted by the devil, misunderstood by the people, prayed twice for the blind man to see, stumbled and fell beneath the cross…and in his darkest hour he cried out wondering why he was forsaken…
I would think He would have more mercy than most…Yes, I do want Him to be my judge and Him alone...I cast myself at His feet and cry mercy!

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by StMark

I think it's time to come clean about this issue. I know a lot of
you are going to find what I have to say unbelievable
perhaps my bluntness makes it hard to swallow, but I am dead serious about this.

Here are the real reasons why many Cons have left, formed
other groups and rarely come around anymore. Now, please
don't attack me. I'm just telling WHY. I just want your comments
and hopefully some good honest interaction

It's partly because of a few certain posters. that is true. But it goes
way beyond posters being disrespectful.Their is a common held belief that this forum
is swaying a lot of vunerable people (traditional Pentecostals) to question and give up their
convictions and cause them to backslide from the truth. It is believed that this forum or many members here
are out to sway others out of the standards and that it is working.
It is grieving a lot of people and they can't bear to see what has happend.

some would go as far as to say that AFF has an agenda. Others
would say that Certain individuals have an agenda. I'm not sure
this is the case BUT I am telling you that this IS indeed what
is thought by many and I wont take that back.

Even though we all got along on FCF, many are seeing the results
of what a forum can do over the years in changing peoples' long held beliefs
and it's troublesome to a lot of the ministry.

Now, you can brush this off and try to forget about it, that's fine.
but at least you know the real truth now unless you choose to live
in denial. I don't expect a lot of people to come clean about this
and some wont want to believe it's true, but sorry, it is nonetheless
true.

For a while I was puzzled as to why there was a mass exodus
and sought out to find out why. I was a little apprehensive about
posting this But I feel it's time to come clean about this so that
everyone knows the real deal

Mark, Many have an agenda, not just the liberal posters on this forum. I think the ultra/conservatives left because they are like so many, when things don't go their way they just upset the table, and leave instead of stay and hold their position.

It is my opinion that they left because when questioned about many things they could not give a scriptural, logical, or educated answer...they instead attached the person/character of those who opposed their opinion.

Like Pianoman, and many who come into counseling...they do not want you to advise them or give them your opinion they just want to be heard, and feel free to express deep seated confusion, fears, and even look at what they believe from alternate perspectives.

Many of us feel isolated and alone in what we consider to be injustices, or unscriptural stands on things that we have battled with through the years. The forums are, to some extent, a support group where we find that we are not alone in our struggles.

I do agree with many that the truth will stand under the most intense scrutiny. I don't know about you, but I want truth. If I have to crawl through broken glass on my knees to make it to heaven I will, but if there is another way that makes a person feel forgiven, their past sins, weights, and mistakes forgiven, and a hope in this life as well as beyond then let's sit down and discuss the word and stop trying to shame, blame, and cast stones...there is enough bad stuff to overcome in this world without people of the faith community killing each other physically, spiritually, or emotionally.

I am tired of the emotional blackmail that says, "Play by my rules, and believe like I believe or I will ostrasize you, make you a display of open shame, or I'll bring you down". I have had 40+ years of that and I say.."No more". If that is your way...I don't want your way and I'll run from everything you stand for.

You wanted to know my opinion...there you have it!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by StMark

There's a Certain person's name with whom has not been mentioned
let's NOT mention his name but do you think one individual
can gain the power of influence over many is what is believed by
great many on the right????
I am correct about this I know I am

No Daniel didn't influence anyone.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by StMark

There's a Certain person's name with whom has not been mentioned
let's NOT mention his name but do you think one individual
can gain the power of influence over many is what is believed by
great many on the right????
I am correct about this I know I am

Awww, I'm not THAT charismatic am I?

But thanks

[StMark]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

So, when are you gonna start doing your part?

remember I'm a nobody cuz I'm just a musician
I don't have that coveted title that would allow me
special previleges like joining the special forums that
are a cut above AFF. when that happens I might start
doing my part

[StMark]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

No Daniel didn't influence anyone.

Now let me tell you, those are fighting words in some
cirlces - I didn't mention the name YOU did.
there are many that would Vehemently disagree with this

[Tyk]

In my opinion there are 2 types of people who might have their "standards" swayed or changed by this forum - not just 1.

1. Is the person that is already backsliding in there hearts to what they feel is a true conviction from God - but they want an excuse to break away without feeling like they just "quit" on God.

2. Is a person that loves God with all there heart, but felt like the standards or doctrine that were taught to them, were not solidified. They may be following these doctrines out of zeal for the Lord and wanting to do what is right. They read new information and receive a revelation.

1. Is bad

2. Is good.

Separate story for filler.

I recall a relatives (1 family) of mine who was brought into the church 7 years ago. They were in church for a total of 5 years - 3 of the years they were over the Sunday School department. The woman with in adultery the whole time they were over the SS department. When it was exposed to all she felt little remorse other than being caught(and of course they were removed from their position. She started being a drunkard away from church but still not cutting her hair, wearing long skirts, wearing make up, or any of those "Standards" you can imagen. Most of you would think she was a "holy" woman. I still loved her through this and still do to this day. When she sees me I hope she sees compassion and the love and joy of Christ in me.

The only reason that example stands out in my mind is my close friend, who loves God with all his heart and does as much as he can for the Church, said this the day she cut her hair "Wow that is so sad, shes really backsliding isn't she?" He's my best friend and knew the situation in full. I didn't argue or try to bring up how I really felt about that.

So we have a doctrine built on belief and very much personal interpretation = living for God or not - we should give up.
We have a plainly stated Sin through out the bible = Just hang in there, there's forgiveness.

Slightly off topic, but slightly on

[StMark]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I was so close from walking away from everything, not God, but all the crazyness.

What the conservatives don't understand is that there is so much pressure inside our movement for those that grow up in it that it is very hard to leave. I went to a UPC school so everybody I knew in the world was UPC. When you leave you have to realize that you will be called a charismatic, rumors will fly (some of them will be true), and your family won't talk to you as much and they will get defensive.

Thank you DA, Sam, Craziehome, and others who have helped me in my journey.

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