A Petition Movement to Save the Union - Page 7

SDG · #61 03-25-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

I did not say you said it. But you did RIGHTLY explain the legal proceedings of the UPCI, and that is why I stated that according to you, it will continue to come up until one side wins, and the other quits fighting.

No one has to win or lose ... this one, brother Matthew ... Perhaps other issues might come up that are more urgent ...

but what gives ... if you allow a pastor/church/ministry the right to advertise using a media that is already about to merge with another accepted media.

TV is not being allowed ... just advertising.

You can allow another person this option without having to exercise it or tacitly endorse it yourself

Those are the facts ... as the resolution presently reads ...

sure there are other factors at work ... but those have a deeper history ... than just TV.

To some this is only about exercising control over the others ... this is true on various sides.

stmatthew · #62 03-25-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No one has to win or lose ... this one, brother Matthew ... Perhaps other issues might come up that are more urgent ...

but what gives ... if you allow a pastor/church/ministry the right to advertise using a media that is already about to merge with another accepted media.

TV is not being allowed ... just advertising.

You can allow another person this option without having to exercise it or tacitly endorse it yourself

Those are the facts ... as the resolution presently reads ...

sure there are other factors at work ... both those have a deeper history ... than just TV.

To some this is only about exercising control over the others ... this is true on various sides.

Perception is all in the eye's of the one looking. For some it may look to be a control issue. For other, it is something else.

I could say that for some, this is only an attempt to get their foot in the door, so they can come back later and finish the job of completely opening the door to tv.

SDG · #63 03-25-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Perception is all in the eye's of the one looking. For some it may look to be a control issue. For other, it is something else.

I could say that for some, this is only an attempt to get their foot in the door, so they can come back later and finish the job of completely opening the door to tv.

Which of the men of God that you know are really pro-TV ... they are pro- allowing moderation of a media .... like other types of media that can be used for good or evil.

This is my biggest problem with this ... there are sanctified men of God on all sides of this issue throwing barbs at each other claiming they are more spiritual than the other .... that's pretty sickening to me ....

You can be holy with or without a TV ... You may not think it's best for you and your family ... or your flock.. but it is possible ... don't you agree?.

mizpeh · #64 03-25-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You can be holy with or without a TV ... You may not think it's best for you and your family .. but it is possible ... don't you agree?.

Yes, I agree.

Neck · #65 03-25-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

According to Dan, it can never be "put to rest", because there is a democratic process that will keep it coming back up year after year until either all the cons leave the org, and let the libs have it, or the libs leave the org, and let the cons have it.

I just wonder if we will be talking about this in 2015...

Nathan Eckstadt

Sam · #66 03-25-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

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You can be holy with or without a TV ... You may not think it's best for you and your family ... or your flock.. but it is possible ... don't you agree?.

Yes, I agree.
In my opinion, having a tv in my home is no different than having a computer in my home, having a radio in my home, or allowing a newspaper to be delivered to my home. In each case it is up to me to determine what I allow to occupy my mind and thoughts.

Nahum · #67 03-25-2007, 08:55 PM

I have a question.

If this passes, and television is accepted by the majority of the organization, do you think it would be wrong for a conservative UPC pastor to advocate a no tv policy in his church?

SDG · #68 03-25-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I have a question.

If this passes, and television is accepted by the majority of the organization, do you think it would be wrong for a conservative UPC pastor to advocate a no tv policy in his church?

Why not? ... the resolution does not allow for TV's but for TV advertising.

Nahum · #69 03-25-2007, 08:59 PM

What if the org accepts television ownership?

How would you feel about it then?

Would he be wrong to teach that tv is wrong, and that he doesn't want anyone in his church having them?

SDG · #70 03-25-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

What if the org accepts television ownership?

How would you feel about it then?

Would he be wrong to teach that tv is wrong, and that he doesn't want anyone in his church having them?

No problem... he can accept the direction of the org ... while keeping his personal convictions for his family and flock.