Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Dist.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Sounds like the mothership is setting up dis-incentives for young ministers to want to be credentialed with them...

The younger generation is getting fed up w/ this feuding.

[jediwill83]

Makes me really glad I didnt pursue a liscense.This stuff would drive me insane if I was having to put up with it. I mean COME ON PEOPLE! Could be using time spent coming up with STUPID and WEIGHTY resoloutions for.....I dunno......TEACHING A BIBLE STUDY MAYBE???

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The South Texas District has allegedly moved quickly to place various ministers in the NCO and ex UPCI mega church pastor in San Antonio under question.

Various UPCI evangelists have received letters reprimanding them for preaching for various churches in the area from the South Texas District and their Supt....

Of course ... how were they to know????

This apparently was the goal of Resolution 3 when it passed at the last GC .... and we are now seeing the much talked about anticipated results ...

Some of the ministers placed under question left years ago .... btw.

I'm sure California will be moving quickly or already has places some the WPF guys under question ...

Resolution 3 was invoked in Miss. by their Supt ... last fall ... for more on this read this thread:
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ead.php?t=9164

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Lastly, if you are not sure what Res. 3 states, it reads:

Whereas there has not been a clear definition of the terms "under question" and "conduct unbecoming a minister," and

Whereas there seems to be a difference in these terms,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that article VII, Section 7, Paragraph 21 is changed to read as follows:

21. No minister who withdraws or is dropped from our fellowship, whose conduct is under question, shall be allowed to preach for any of our ministers, nor pastor any of our churches. Neither shall any minister of the United Pentecostal Church International fellowship be allowed to preach or participate in any form in any services (except funerals and weddings) sponsored or conducted by any minister who has withdrawn or been dropped, whose conduct is under question. This does not apply to anyone being used in any capacity in his or her local assembly, with the exception of the position of associate pastor or assistant pastor.

(a) The term "under question" shall be taken to mean a formal decision by a District Board reflecting a concern that conduct in flagrant violation of the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International has occurred.

(b) The term "conduct unbecoming a minister" shall be taken to mean any conduct of a moral, financial, or ethical nature that would cause a reproach upon the ministry.

Thank you Dan for raising my blood pressure AGAIN. This kinda control really bothers me.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

What exactly is the NCO movement?

BUMP for PastorA ??

[jediwill83]

People call TV and internet thieves of time.....well I wouldnt exactly call feuds and divisions expeditious.Ok....I need to hush.Sleepy sleep time.

[SDG]

Timlan:

If it's taboo to preach in a guy's church because he's NCO or whatever, shouldn't it be taboo for a UPC preacher to preach a funeral or wedding in that same church?

Another great question by the incomparable TimLan ....

The funeral and wedding clause does seem farcical ...

[Sister Alvear]

sad good people fall for such foolish things never knowing what they are missing not having the freedome to chose their own friends...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

That's not the issue.
If a UPC pastor is threatened with the loss of his license for inviting these guys to preach, that is doing a disservice to the pastor, the would-be invitee/preacher, and the church that would have been blessed by that visiting preacher's ministry.

They're unfairly infringing on the man's ministry, and also the pastor's autonomy to decide who he wants to invite into his pulpit. And it simply does a disservice to the body of Christ in general. Somehow, I cant imagine that God is pleased with this sort of thing. This is church politics at its worst.

I agree. Not only politics, but censorship and control, and also an attempt to fragment and splinter the body of Christ. That's why I posted the words from Proverbs 6:16-19 above.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

sad good people fall for such foolish things never knowing what they are missing not having the freedome to chose their own friends...

Freedom??? ... not when one can be entrenched in factionalism that leads to the tyranny of the majority, inequitable policing, blood thirst to prove spiritual superiority and parading of usurped authority.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Sam

I agree. Not only politics, but censorship and control, and also an attempt to fragment and splinter the body of Christ. That's why I posted the words from Proverbs 6:16-19 above.

To which I have no doubt their response would be= they aren't brethren....