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06-27-2008, 06:05 PM
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Re: Colored Lights/Smoke Machines/Strobe Bright Li
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Seriously, what was the early church 's pattern for church services?
Was there a pattern?
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Barna shows how many aspects of the Christian service and liturgy are rooted in paganism ... do we stop using choir robes, pews, etc?
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06-27-2008, 06:08 PM
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Re: Colored Lights/Smoke Machines/Strobe Bright Li
Motive counts for a lot.
Was involved in a seminar recently where the pastor spent $75,000, much of it to buy special effect lights and smoke machine.
The main motive seemed to have been to impress fellow ministers with how progressive he was.
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06-27-2008, 06:08 PM
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Re: Colored Lights/Smoke Machines/Strobe Bright Li
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Did Jesus use a pulpit?
A Bible?
A microphone?
Did he say "turn in your Bible to?"
Did he even use a text?
Did he use a Penetcostal preacher's "hitch" in his voice?
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Did Jesus take an offering before every parable or message?
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06-27-2008, 06:09 PM
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Re: Colored Lights/Smoke Machines/Strobe Bright Li
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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve
What about keyboards, drums, guitars, the bass, background vocals and lead singers? Pretty sure they can be found at some clubs also. I'm not meaning to degrade you, but just wondering where do you draw the line?
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There is scripture for instruments.
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
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06-27-2008, 06:09 PM
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Re: Colored Lights/Smoke Machines/Strobe Bright Li
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Originally Posted by Encryptus
Motive counts for a lot.
Was involved in a seminar recently where the pastor spent $75,000, much of it to buy special effect lights and smoke machine.
The main motive seemed to have been to impress fellow ministers with how progressive he was.
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You could build a bridge for much less.
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06-27-2008, 06:09 PM
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Re: Colored Lights/Smoke Machines/Strobe Bright Li
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Seriously, what was the early church 's pattern for church services?
Was there a pattern?
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House to house, with a meal or without? On the side of the road, in the mountains, down in the valleys, etc.?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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06-27-2008, 06:10 PM
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Re: Colored Lights/Smoke Machines/Strobe Bright Li
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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4
There is scripture for instruments.
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
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Amen, someone oughta write a song about that!
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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06-27-2008, 06:11 PM
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Re: Colored Lights/Smoke Machines/Strobe Bright Li
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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4
There is scripture for instruments.
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
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Unfortunately there was no electricity back then for the lighting and fog machines. *grin*
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06-27-2008, 06:15 PM
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Re: Colored Lights/Smoke Machines/Strobe Bright Li
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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve
Unfortunately there was no electricity back then for the lighting and fog machines. *grin*
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God has His own light shows and fog machines. 
Much more affective to me.
I love some thunder and lightning storms. Could do without the fog when driving though. 
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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06-27-2008, 06:21 PM
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Re: Colored Lights/Smoke Machines/Strobe Bright Li
It depends on the main focus. Is the main focus on just getting a crowd or on Jesus? Is it on the lights and fog or on the Creator of Light?
We use fog machines, follow spots, black lights, and colored lights in our dramas.
We have seen many in our community touched by our dramas. Many who would never feel the presents of the Holy Ghost if not for our dramas. We even had a family start coming to church and receive the Holy Ghost because of our dramas.
We use a bubble machine for our children's service. We even hit big beach balls in the sanctuary. 
We have many children that have heard the gospel and felt the presents of the Holy Ghost because of our children's services. We have Holy Ghost filled children that attend our church who's parents don't because of our children's services. We have children in our community that will beg their parents to miss their regular Sunday School to come to our Super Sunday service.
Can these things be misused? Sure they can. But they can also be used to reach souls.
(And my pastor is even WPF) 
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