Can a oneness believer make it to Heaven...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Kutless

This is a bunk post....not my intentions at all. Don't judge it on where the thread has gone and don't pretend you can read my mind.......bad form Peter Pan!

wasn't trying to read your mind at all, but it seemed to me that there were folks implying that Heaven will be a place without Trinitarians. I listed some Trinitarians who have been obviously used by the Lord and wanted to see if any one wanted to condemn them and then find out the rationale.

[Jermyn Davidson]

i will be more careful to state exactly what i mean.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by 1399

wasn't trying to read your mind at all, but it seemed to me that there were folks implying that Heaven will be a place without Trinitarians. I listed some Trinitarians who have been obviously used by the Lord and wanted to see if any one wanted to condemn them and then find out the rationale.

You listed some famous preachers,(King, Spurgeon, Wesley, Falwell, etc) who also happen to be Trinitarian.

I cant put anyone in heaven, nor in hell, so it's not my place to say where these men are. You seem to assume these men were born again and had a proper relationship wiht God. I cant say they did or didnt, but it's intereresting that you assume that these men did, and are in heaven.

This much I know for sure: not every famous preacher is really born again (Matt 7:22-23 makes that very clear in my mind).

...so I assume nothing.

[Jermyn Davidson]

when I think about our doctrine, i gather that it leaves everyone ( generally) else in hell unless they believe and do just as we believe and do.

There aren't but so many Christians who have been baptized using the name of Jesus Christ. There aren't but so many Christians who have spoken in tongues. These are core doctrines to our faith and we preach and teach that if one doesn't do these things, experience these things they will not have eternal life.

Those men I listed previously had been mightily used of the Lord and they did not preach this doctrine. By listening to some, I would almost be convinced that their works were not only vain, but satan inspired-- doomed to hell because they simply were not Apostolic.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by 1399

when I think about our doctrine, i gather that it leaves everyone ( generally) else in hell unless they believe and do just as we believe and do.

There aren't but so many Christians who have been baptized using the name of Jesus Christ. There aren't but so many Christians who have spoken in tongues. These are core doctrines to our faith and we preach and teach that if one doesn't do these things, experience these things they will not have eternal life.

Those men I listed previously had been mightily used of the Lord and they did not preach this doctrine. By listening to some, I would almost be convinced that their works were not only vain, but satan inspired-- doomed to hell because they simply were not Apostolic.

Did Satan inspire Jesus name baptism? How about speaking in tongues? Did he inspire that too?

[SDG]

The righteous are scarcely saved ...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Rico

Did Satan inspire Jesus name baptism? How about speaking in tongues? Did he inspire that too?

Rico, I read and reread my posts and I really can't see where you got that this is what I was saying.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by 1399

Rico, I read and reread my posts and I really can't see where you got that this is what I was saying.

This part:


By listening to some, I would almost be convinced that their works were not only vain, but satan inspired-- doomed to hell because they simply were not Apostolic.


Ok. I get what you were saying now. Oooops!


I will tell you that I have a bigger problem with trying to put these men into Heaven (Graham and the others you mentioned), than I would saying they died lost (even though that gives cause for concern). These men didn't preach truth, regardless of what their perceived contribution to Christianity might be. My understanding is that Billy Graham outright rejected Jesus name baptism.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I just don't think that Heaven is a place where it will only be populated by Apostolic believers, even though our doctrine leads me to think that way.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by 1399

I just don't think that Heaven is a place where it will only be populated by Apostolic believers, even though our doctrine leads me to think that way.

Are there multiple ways to CHrist?