Obama Changes Presidential Seal for his campaign! - Page 15

clgustaveson · #**141** 06-23-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

Where did I say Barak hates America? please review. I didn't even suggest he hates America.

You are correct in that Barak wants to change America into what he believes would be best.

It is EXACTLY THAT which I oppose! What Barak believes America needs to become is something I strongly believe America needs to avoid at all cost!

His not saluting the flag, speaks to that very ideal.

and Again, he is interviewing for the most important job on the face of the earth.... he gets no do-over's.

Then oppose what he believes in, frankly I oppose it too. But the principle that gives him the right to run for office is the same principle my family has died for and a principle I would go to my grave for.

As far as I am concerned if he becomes president then the rest of this country agrees with him, and that is good enough for me.

Ferd · #**142** 06-23-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

well there you have it. McCain is a flip flopper.... unlike Barak who has been steadfast in the insanity of pursuing failed Economic policy and failed foreign policy.

give me the guy who decided Grover Norquist aint so bad.

Baron1710 · #**143** 06-23-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by clgustaveson

Well millions of people a year, even ones that have served and lost members in the military don't place their hands over their heart. I assume it is not that they are being disrespectful, how do I know this? I go to hundreds of professional sporting events a year, I see what happens. I think it is a weak argument to say that is his sentiment.

This statement is nonsense. You have no way to show this to be true. I have been to many Sporting events myself, and even in DC men remove their hats and stand at attention.

You excuse it because of your own admitted lack of respect.

Pressing-On · #**144** 06-23-2008, 02:48 PM

Okay, I ate my carrots and I'm done! Have fun with it.

Good thread - I vote for McCain. Somehow I didn't change my mind.

tstew · #**145** 06-23-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rico
* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

He was not a member of his church.
* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

I'll have to look closer into this.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.
Immigration? Many people have tried to fix this. He realized he needed another plan. Big deal. There are many issues involved. It's not that easy as just securing the borders.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.
Have to check into this.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.
Not a bad comment to make considering all involved in Iraq and beyond. “make it clear to the world that this government does not torture and that we adhere to the international convention of torture, whether it be here at home or abroad.”

“It’s a done deal,” said McCain, talking to reporters outside the White House.

I don't see the big deal here.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

He's committed to reducing the amount of special interest money involved in politics.

Obama invites questions about how good his word is in regard to campaign financing.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
Have to check into this.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
We weren't in an oil crises at the time and he is also for other alternative energy choices and exploration.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
I'd have to check into this, doesn't seem a big deal.

* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.
He wants to leave that as a state right choice. That would be constitutional.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

PO I like the fact that you responded that you would check into several of those issues. If more people were like that it would make things a lot clearer and less over the top.

Ferd · #**146** 06-23-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by clgustaveson

Then oppose what he believes in, frankly I oppose it too. But the principle that gives him the right to run for office is the same principle my family has died for and a principle I would go to my grave for.

As far as I am concerned if he becomes president then the rest of this country agrees with him, and that is good enough for me.

dude, have you read NOTHING ive written in this thread? good grief!

all I have done is list spicific on what I dont agree with Obama about!

Dont tell me about principles that give him a right to run for office. when have I ever said he didnt have that right? What i said was, his ACTIONS are at best questionable and his stated positions are completley WRONG.

Im glad to hear you have a strong belief in America. Go get in line buddy. you aint the only one who would "die for those ideals" some of us (on both sides of this debate in this thread) have put out actual real butts on the line and SERVED in Actual real honest to goodness wars that America has been involved in. I dont need some jonny come lately to give me a civics lesson in freedom and what that means.

Go get yourself a medal and we will let you pull up to the table and break bread with rest of us vets.

Pressing-On · #**147** 06-23-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew

PO I like the fact that you responded that you would check into several of those issues. If more people were like that it would make things a lot clearer and less over the top.

Thanks, I'm not as stupid as your first impression, huh?

Well, the way I see it - if you are going to hide - don't do it on a public forum. You'll get nailed.

Have a good one!

clgustaveson · #**148** 06-23-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

dude, have you read NOTHING ive written in this thread? good grief!

all I have done is list spicific on what I dont agree with Obama about!

Dont tell me about principles that give him a right to run for office. when have I ever said he didnt have that right? What i said was, his ACTIONS are at best questionable and his stated positions are completley WRONG.

Im glad to hear you have a strong belief in America. Go get in line buddy. you aint the only one who would "die for those ideals" some of us (on both sides of this debate in this thread) have put out actual real butts on the line and SERVED in Actual real honest to goodness wars that America has been involved in. I dont need some jonny come lately to give me a civics lesson in freedom and what that means.

Go get yourself a medal and we will let you pull up to the table and break bread with rest of us vets.