modest pants? or immodest skirts hmmmmm. seems like in the Kingdom its the ideal of modesty that is the concern of God. not you cant wear this or that but...is it modest. but we do like to pick things out to pick and choose dont we
Why is that hard to believe? It isn't about picking or choosing. It's about being modest. The OT tells women they should not dress to look like men and vice versa. People want to say that means pants. Well in the time it was written men and women dressed very similar. The differences being maybe color, somewhat the cut, and ornamentation. The other things they were told were about what they could mix or wear together. Everyone wants to state that women can not wear pants but they have no problem mixing cotton and linen, rayon and polyester, wool and silk, etc etc.
So because men started wearing pants first it makes it strictly a man's garment? Women started wearing pants and they decided it was time to cut pants FOR women. I am not going to the ladies section to buy my pants, just will not fit me right. Besides if we go back a hundered years or so the women should have their skirts covering their ankles. Who of you believe that is necessary?
Talk of something else silly. I have known of preachers that wore a girdle when they preached to help them look better. Something that a little time excercising could have taken care of but instead of that they wore a girdle. IT WAS A MAN'S GIRDLE. So it made it okay? 90% of the world look at girdles as being something a woman would wear. So were they wrong and going to hell for trying to hold their stomach in while preaching because they wore this 'ladies garment'?
It seems foolish and stupid to me that we try to hold ladies to this archiac mindset. Men can be progressive and grow but not the ladies.
I agree with sis. Some old timers were even stricter! they would make a person totally change their lifestyle before they would even baptize them.
This was Proof of true repentance.
I know this is true because we have debated some who saw us baptize people who had mustaches. they thought we should make them go the the restroom and shave first.I remember this clearly
i'm not kidding
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I shudder to think of how many people we have lost by treating new converts this way. My husband talks about a time when in Pentecost it was " Do right or Get out". I am glad that our local assembly is past that, but I do think that we ran off as many as we were able to keep in the ark.
We are pretty cautious about what we watch on television. Most of the time when watching television we watch DVDs. And there hasn't been any hint of a desire to dress immodestly or wear women's pants in our church or in our family. Some of the newer women wear pants, but they normally come around.
We have wedding rings because those who don't wear them look like they're shacking up and living together. My wife's grandmother even thought we might be swingers or in a group marriage cult because wingers and a cult down in Mississippi also didn't wear wedding bands. When clearing up her mistaken notions she said, "She just didn't know why we didn't want others to know we were married." Our wedding bands are simple gold bands, no diamonds. We wear no other jewelry. Like a watch, dog tags, or medical alert bracelet our wedding bands are "functional" representing our marriage covenant. In today's world gays want to parade their marriages...why are we wanting to hide ours? I remember having to tell people we were married back when my wife was pregnant because people thought we were just shacked up. Once I was referred to as her "partner" by nursing staff, I spoke up and said, "Ma'am, I'm her husband." She said, "Oh, sorry. I couldn't tell you were married." The Bible says...
I think not wearing a wedding band puts forth an appearance of loose living. I believe that to be closer to sin than wearing a wedding band.
As for hair. My wife's hair is very uneven in the back (partly due to the uneven style she wore when she came into the church) and we've discussed possibly trimming it to even it up so she doesn't look unkept when she wears here hair down. We're not talking about trimming her hair into a "style" or even short hair, because her hair is already so long she can sit on it. We're talking about just evening it out so that it doesn't look unkept.
So please, before casting your ultracon judgments around, calling me and my family "sad"... ask for a little clarification first.
Proverbs 18:13
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
I think it was summed up well in another post where it was pointed out that dresses are more modest than most women's pants. So our admonitions should be that women wear dresses as a standard of Christian modesty. I wouldn't go as far as saying a woman will burn in Hell for wearing "pants".
Here's a little history for all of you...pants are Chinese in origin. Nearly 400 years before Christ Chinese women began wearing pants to protect their legs while working the rice patties of ancient China. Soon the Chinese cavalry took to wearing these trousers while riding horse back. Soon after, the Scythian and Persian cavalry riders began wearing pants. Pants then spread throughout Europe and the Middle East as the proper attire for men who rode in military cavalry units.
At that time in the Holy Land, men wore tunics at about knee length that they would tuck up over their belts when in combat or working in the fields. Women wore longer tunics well below the knee. Both wore robes as part of their outer garments to protect them from the elements.
But the interesting point is that the original "pants" were worn by...Chinese women.
The issue isn't the article of clothing. The issue is modesty. And a modest dress is far more modest than most pants available for women today.
We are pretty cautious about what we watch on television. Most of the time when watching television we watch DVDs. And there hasn't been any hint of a desire to dress immodestly or wear women's pants in our church or in our family. Some of the newer women wear pants, but they normally come around.
We have wedding rings because those who don't wear them look like they're shacking up and living together. My wife's grandmother even thought we might be swingers or in a group marriage cult because wingers and a cult down in Mississippi also didn't wear wedding bands. When clearing up her mistaken notions she said, "She just didn't know why we didn't want others to know we were married." Our wedding bands are simple gold bands, no diamonds. We wear no other jewelry. Like a watch, dog tags, or medical alert bracelet our wedding bands are "functional" representing our marriage covenant. In today's world gays want to parade their marriages...why are we wanting to hide ours? I remember having to tell people we were married back when my wife was pregnant because people thought we were just shacked up. Once I was referred to as her "partner" by nursing staff, I spoke up and said, "Ma'am, I'm her husband." She said, "Oh, sorry. I couldn't tell you were married." The Bible says...
I think not wearing a wedding band puts forth an appearance of loose living. I believe that to be closer to sin than wearing a wedding band.
As for hair. My wife's hair is very uneven in the back (partly due to the uneven style she wore when she came into the church) and we've discussed possibly trimming it to even it up so she doesn't look unkept when she wears here hair down. We're not talking about trimming her hair into a "style" or even short hair, because her hair is already so long she can sit on it. We're talking about just evening it out so that it doesn't look unkept.
So please, before casting your ultracon judgments around, calling me and my family "sad"... ask for a little clarification first.
Proverbs 18:13
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
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Every time I see people judging others - I think about what Paul wrote in Romans -- that those who judge bring on themselves the same condemnation.
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