Revisiting the "PANTS" Issue - Page 34

StMark · #**331** 05-30-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

I understand. I am just more inclined to guard posting on such sibjects on open Forums.

OKay, but you do understand that this is taken as being cowardly and not being able to defend this topic, right?

rrford · #**332** 05-30-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

OKay, but you do understand that this is taking as being cowardly and not being able to defend this topic, right?

LOL! Should I really care about that take of Forum Personalities regarding me on this issue? Methinks not.

Let them eat cake!

bkstokes · #**333** 05-30-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

OKay, but you do understand that this is taking as being cowardly and not being able to defend this topic, right?

Mark

What is the main thing that concerns you about this issue? Do you believe that this standard in a sense preserves the fervor/dedication of the people?

Cindy · #**334** 05-30-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

LOL! Should I really care about that take of me on this issue? Methinks not.

Let them eat cake!

Chocolate cake with Maple frosting?

rrford · #**335** 05-30-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx

Chocolate cake with Maple frosting?

EEWWWW! It is the epitome of sacrilige to offend the heavenly luxury of chocolate cake with the evils of maple frosting.

StMark · #**336** 05-30-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes

Mark

What is the main thing that concerns you about this issue? Do you believe that this standard in a sense preserves the fervor/dedication of the people?

Stokes, That is a concern, yes. I know that some of it is tradition and culture but truthfully, those are the key elements that help to keep our families together so why not the church?? It is evident that when we start undoing everything, the dedication begins to wane. In general, the AG is not the church it once was and even many of them have told me that

GraceAmazing · #**337** 05-30-2008, 11:35 PM

To answer your question St. Mark, I'm not so sure that pants on women is an abomination. I'm not sure the UPC manual states that a woman must wear a dress. If it does, please correct me. It's been a while since I have read it.

That being said, I'm a UPC PK, so I've worn skirts all of my life. Until recently, I didn't even know what scripture was used to support that standard. Even after numerous Sunday School classes, hours spent on a church pew and two years in Bible College. It took a great lady from my former church to bring this to my attention. I'm a PK...how could I have missed that all these years?????

I too question if we follow verse 5 in that chapter, what do you do with 11 or 21?

I also struggle with Proverbs 6:16 - 19. Something there was an abomination too. Like sowing discord? That one just doesn't seem to apply to us today, sad to say.

bkstokes · #**338** 05-30-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

Stokes, That is a concern, yes. I know that some of it is tradition and culture but truthfully, those are the key elements that help to keep our families together so why not the church?? It is evident that when we start undoing everything, the dedication begins to wane. In general, the AG is not the church it once was and even many of them have told me that

When did the AG let go of their standards? Wasn't it in the 50s and 60s?

StMark · #**339** 05-30-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GraceAmazing

To answer your question St. Mark, I'm not so sure that pants on women is an abomination. I'm not sure the UPC manual states that a woman must wear a dress. If it does, please correct me. It's been a while since I have read it.

That being said, I'm a UPC PK, so I've worn skirts all of my life. Until recently, I didn't even know what scripture was used to support that standard. Even after numerous Sunday School classes, hours spent on a church pew and two years in Bible College. It took a great lady from my former church to bring this to my attention. I'm a PK...how could I have missed that all these years?????

I too question if we follow verse 5 in that chapter, what do you do with 11 or 21?

I also struggle with Proverbs 6:16 - 19. Something there was an abomination too. Like sowing discord? That one just doesn't seem to apply to us today, sad to say.

You are right about that. Gluttony is the other sin that gets a free pass in Pentecost LOL BTW, I'm a PK too.
So, now that you know WHY you only where skirts, what is your answer ?

Pressing-On · #**340** 05-31-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark

Pressing on,

Read my opinoin post. The reason for this thread was not to put down peoples' individual convictions. The discussion is about the future of the UPC in regards to this teaching

I did understand the point of your post, Mark. Regardless of where the church stands now, we still have to be respectful of each person's convictions. That would be my point.

I have four sisters that have visited our churches with me and they love the spirit filled aspect, the worship, but they think the standards are ridiculous and so they attend Baptist churches wishing they had more. They were all baptized in Jesus Name when they visited. They just didn't want the extra things that were required of them.

Two of us are in the UPC and I don't know what to tell you about where it is going. I just believe that God led me this way and I'm just following where ever He leads.

I believe God is building a church. He is building us as individuals, teaching us discernment of both carnal and spiritual elements. Everything we go through we are learning.

There are things about us as an organization that people love and things people don't. If we keep worshipping we will get somewhere......