Revisiting the "PANTS" Issue - Page 17

bkstokes · #**161** 05-30-2008, 08:20 AM

My philosophy is if people want to live that why fine, but don't make into a test of spirituality. MANY believe that the stricter one is with type of stuff, then the holier you are. It is written that His blood is what sanctifies, not standards.

Apart from this,

Mark I think it is time that this issue go away. I disdain the fact that this would be oneness pentecostals calling card. A man I know, sincerely saw little difference between pentecostals and the FLDS (talking about dress). I didn't even try to go into the differences because really it is the same mentality (unscriptural subjection of women). One can really make the Bible say pretty much near anything (twisting and turning it) -- Look at the crazy posts that have been going on in the forum of late.

StillStanding · #**162** 05-30-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes

My philosophy is if people want to live that why fine, but don't make into a test of spirituality. MANY believe that the stricter one is with type of stuff, then the holier you are. It is written that His blood is what sanctifies, not standards.

Apart from this,

Mark I think it is time that this issue go away. I disdain the fact that this would be oneness pentecostals calling card. A man I know, sincerely saw little difference between pentecostals and the FLDS (talking about dress). I didn't even try to go into the differences because really it is the same mentality (unscriptural subjection of women). One can really make the Bible say pretty much near anything (twisting and turning it) -- Look at the crazy posts that have been going on in the forum of late.

Good post!

bkstokes · #**163** 05-30-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx

I decided I don't want to take the chance to be considered an abomination to the Lord.

I appreciate you sincere desire to be pleasing to the Lord. Nevertheless, we must ask the question -- what was the difference in dress in those days. If you go to your local Christian book store you may easily find many books on Biblical customs. The difference between the way a man dressed and the way a woman dressed was primarily ornamental. Both men and wome wore robe like attire. The difference consisted of the material used in the belts and the woman's robe had a fancier hem (sp?) to the robe. Don't believe me go check it out.

Here is a link that has some interesting points about seperate dress.

http://209.239.56.130/theopenheart/a...womenpants.htm

Cindy · #**164** 05-30-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes

I appreciate you sincere desire to be pleasing to the Lord. Nevertheless, we must ask the question -- what was the difference in dress in those days. If you go to your local Christian book store you may easily find many books on Biblical customs. The difference between the way a man dressed and the way a woman dressed was primarily ornamental. Both men and wome wore robe like attire. The difference consisted of the material used in the belts and the woman's robe had a fancier hem (sp?) to the robe. Don't believe me go check it out.

Here is a link that has some interesting points about seperate dress.

http://209.239.56.130/theopenheart/a...womenpants.htm

My response had nothing to do with what I wear or don't wear but that my spirit be right with God, should have clarified I guess. If it doesn't come from the heart it doesn't matter.

StillStanding · #**165** 05-30-2008, 08:34 AM

For the record, I find it perfectly acceptable if a women chooses to wear only dresses. I admire their personal conviction and sacrifice.

The problem arises when they judge others by their own personal convictions. They separate themselves from other women of like faith that may not have the same convictions.

Pressing-On · #**166** 05-30-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes

I appreciate you sincere desire to be pleasing to the Lord. Nevertheless, we must ask the question -- what was the difference in dress in those days. If you go to your local Christian book store you may easily find many books on Biblical customs. The difference between the way a man dressed and the way a woman dressed was primarily ornamental. Both men and wome wore robe like attire. The difference consisted of the material used in the belts and the woman's robe had a fancier hem (sp?) to the robe. Don't believe me go check it out.

Here is a link that has some interesting points about seperate dress.

http://209.239.56.130/theopenheart/a...womenpants.htm

It's more than that. It's finding our place and following the convictions we feel that God has placed in our own individual lives.

We can't even look back at the OT for this.

The world is in chaos, the church world is in chaos.

We just need to find where God wants us. I will also say when a person finds that place, for them, and it happens to be the UPC, we need to leave them and their convictions alone.

It's one thing to debate here, as we often do, but if someone feels that is what they need in their life to stand before God, we need to leave that alone.

Not everyone can live the same way. Not every person will have the same convictions. Some are stronger by personal choice.

We need to respect each person's decision and consecration.

Pressing-On · #**167** 05-30-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

For the record, I find it perfectly acceptable if a women chooses to wear only dresses. I admire their personal conviction and sacrifice.

The problem arises when they judge others by their own personal convictions. They separate themselves from other women of like faith that may not have the same convictions.

Pianoman,
Well said. I totally agree with you here.

Cindy · #**168** 05-30-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes

My philosophy is if people want to live that why fine, but don't make into a test of spirituality. MANY believe that the stricter one is with type of stuff, then the holier you are. It is written that His blood is what sanctifies, not standards.

Apart from this,

Mark I think it is time that this issue go away. I disdain the fact that this would be oneness pentecostals calling card. A man I know, sincerely saw little difference between pentecostals and the FLDS (talking about dress). I didn't even try to go into the differences because really it is the same mentality (unscriptural subjection of women). One can really make the Bible say pretty much near anything (twisting and turning it) -- Look at the crazy posts that have been going on in the forum of late.

I don't think I have ever looked like the FLDS women.

Cindy · #**169** 05-30-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It's more than that. It's finding our place and following the convictions we feel that God has placed in our own individual lives.

We can't even look back at the OT for this.

The world is in chaos, the church world is in chaos.

We just need to find where God wants us. I will also say when a person finds that place, for them, and it happens to be the UPC, we need to leave them and their convictions alone.

It's one thing to debate here, as we often do, but if someone feels that is what they need in their life to stand before God, we need to leave that alone.

Not everyone can live the same way. Not every person will have the same convictions. Some are stronger by personal choice.

We need to respect each person's decision and consecration.

Amen!

Cindy · #**170** 05-30-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

For the record, I find it perfectly acceptable if a women chooses to wear only dresses. I admire their personal conviction and sacrifice.

The problem arises when they judge others by their own personal convictions. They separate themselves from other women of like faith that may not have the same convictions.

Good post PM, I agree. And vice versa on the judging thing.