Obama, Clinton. Which is the lesser of two evils?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Ron

You can have Quebec! I think you will get tired of the whining though.

What battle of Quebec are you speaking of?

well, we lost 2 battles of Quebec! and you are right. but the Americans would have forced them to speak english and stop being french so Canada and America would both be better!

[ChristopherHall]

I have an opinion on the “change, change, change” cry throughout the land. My family is about to loose our home (please keep us in prayer; we’re supposed to know sometime this week if we can work out a deal if they don’t ask for more information to start the process all over again like they have twice). I know several other families who have already lost their homes. Here in the Midwest there are vast numbers of laid off workers who watched their jobs move overseas and have quit looking for work or are now working in fast food and lower paying service jobs. Families are watching their grocery bill steadily rise while they are throwing more and more money into their gas tanks to get to the jobs they’re lucky to have. I know businesses that are being slowly strangled to death by rising operation costs (partly due to rising fuel costs) and health care costs for their employees. There are families who have children and parents engaged in a war without any perceivable end that may have been preemptively launched based on flawed intelligence…or worse…false pretenses.

I think the “change, change, change”, is actually… “Help, help, help, we’re hurting, hurting, hurting, and loosing all we’ve worked for as Americans.”

Here’s my advice for the next President whoever they may be, regardless of party….

“Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquility.” – Daniel 4:27

The people and families are groaning under the failed polices of the current king.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I have an opinion on the “change, change, change” cry throughout the land. My family is about to loose our home (please keep us in prayer; we’re supposed to know sometime this week if we can work out a deal if they don’t ask for more information to start the process all over again like they have twice). I know several other families who have already lost their homes. Here in the Midwest there are vast numbers of laid off workers who watched their jobs move overseas and have quit looking for work or are now working in fast food and lower paying service jobs. Families are watching their grocery bill steadily rise while they are throwing more and more money into their gas tanks to get to the jobs they’re lucky to have. I know businesses that are being slowly strangled to death by rising operation costs (partly due to rising fuel costs) and health care costs for their employees. There are families who have children and parents engaged in a war without any perceivable end that may have been preemptively launched based on flawed intelligence…or worse…false pretenses.

I think the “change, change, change”, is actually… “Help, help, help, we’re hurting, hurting, hurting, and loosing all we’ve worked for as Americans.”

Here’s my advice for the next President whoever they may be, regardless of party….

“Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquility.” – Daniel 4:27

The people and families are groaning under the failed polices of the current king.

So long as we are giving advice to Presidents...

Remember after Solomon died and his son took the advice of the young men to raise the taxes? He should have listened to the old men who told him to cut the people some slack. Taxing me more to pay for more socialist programs is a mistake.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

So long as we are giving advice to Presidents...

Remember after Solomon died and his son took the advice of the young men to raise the taxes? He should have listened to the old men who told him to cut the people some slack. Taxing me more to pay for more socialist programs is a mistake.

You know what is really interesting?

in the middle ages, when a Lord raised the taxes on the pesants to 15% they generally revolted.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

So long as we are giving advice to Presidents...

Remember after Solomon died and his son took the advice of the young men to raise the taxes? He should have listened to the old men who told him to cut the people some slack. Taxing me more to pay for more socialist programs is a mistake.

No doubt bro. The way I look at it, unless the program benefits all who pay taxes into it...cut it, especially in times like these.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ferd

You know what is really interesting?

in the middle ages, when a Lord raised the taxes on the pesants to 15% they generally revolted.

It seems more and more people are happy to have the government take what they make and give them back what the government thinks they need, food stamps, housing, healthcare, etc. I did an international law program in France and our host family was upset at the idea of having to work 38 hours a week. They felt the government owed them a job, at no more than 35 hours a week, and at least 5 weeks vacation.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I have an opinion on the “change, change, change” cry throughout the land. My family is about to loose our home (please keep us in prayer; we’re supposed to know sometime this week if we can work out a deal if they don’t ask for more information to start the process all over again like they have twice). I know several other families who have already lost their homes. Here in the Midwest there are vast numbers of laid off workers who watched their jobs move overseas and have quit looking for work or are now working in fast food and lower paying service jobs. Families are watching their grocery bill steadily rise while they are throwing more and more money into their gas tanks to get to the jobs they’re lucky to have. I know businesses that are being slowly strangled to death by rising operation costs (partly due to rising fuel costs) and health care costs for their employees. There are families who have children and parents engaged in a war without any perceivable end that may have been preemptively launched based on flawed intelligence…or worse…false pretenses.

I think the “change, change, change”, is actually… “Help, help, help, we’re hurting, hurting, hurting, and loosing all we’ve worked for as Americans.”

Here’s my advice for the next President whoever they may be, regardless of party….

“Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquility.” – Daniel 4:27

The people and families are groaning under the failed polices of the current king.

Chris, I truely hope you dont loose your house. And I have been praying for you in this situation. but bro, that aint the end of the world. you still have a good job and you can simply move on. millions of us have already paved the road.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

It seems more and more people are happy to have the government take what they make and give them back what the government thinks they need, food stamps, housing, healthcare, etc. I did an international law program in France and our host family was upset at the idea of having to work 38 hours a week. They felt the government owed them a job, at no more than 35 hours a week, and at least 5 weeks vacation.

that french attitude, I fear is slowly creeping into America.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Chris, I truely hope you dont loose your house. And I have been praying for you in this situation. but bro, that aint the end of the world. you still have a good job and you can simply move on. millions of us have already paved the road.

I second that. It is a tough thing to loose your house but it’s not the end of the world. I lost one about 10 years ago, but my family has survived, and we never missed a meal. One time we sent the kids to school with stale hamburger buns and peanut butter, but they never went hungry. I will pray for you.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Guys...in all honesty it's a game. It doesn't matter who is better or worse out of Obama or Hillary. The Democratic front running is always touted as "the most liberal Democrat". It's designed to galvinize the conservative voting block against the front runner. If Hillary was front runner right now they would argue that she was the most liberal.

The voting history of any candidate is easily manipulated to look however they want it t look.

Here’s an example: Health care is a leading issue among Democrats. Clinton’s health care plan has far more government mandates and subsidies than Obama’s. So on what might be the greatest issue the Democrats are running on Hillary is obviously far more liberal and would spend far more tax payer dollars.

It’s a shell game. Don’t buy into it.

So He is NOT more liberal than Clinton? Can you prove this?