What is a One Stepper?!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

I KNOW the moment I became one of His (the moment he took me under His wing) and it happened months before I ever spoke in tongues. I "KNOW" because I felt Him come into my heart... And don't even try... you'll never talk me out of it. (One thing you can't take away from a person is their experience.)

I don't need to try to talk you out of anything. You can base your theology on your personal experience if you want to. I base mine simply on the word of God.

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

2) I think it is a far-stretch to compare the 1-step belief to homosexual beliefs.

Thats a straw-man argument, brother and you know it.

I am not "comparing 1-stepper belief to homosexual beliefs" the way you're implying. It really irks me when my words and meaning are twisted like that.

I am simply saying that anyone, including homosexuals, can create a doctrinal position based on a point of view they already have in mind which they refuse to budge from.

For example , take the case of someone whose sweet Baptist grandmother didn't believe in tongues or the Holy Ghost baptism, but she "loved the Lord"... a person can establish a "paradigm" in their mind that "theres no way the God I serve would throw sweet little granny into hell"... Thus from that paradigm they look at all salvation-related scriptures from a point of view to make sure that, in their mind, granny (and people who believe like her) is in heaven with the Lord.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

I demonstrated to you FROM EXPERIENCE.

If that were'nt His Spirit that engulfed me that day I "took that walk down the aisle" then there is a VERY GOOD IMPOSTER lurking!!! LOL!

And NO I didn't speak in tongues that day.

Let me ask YOU something...

If someone hadn't TOLD you that you would speak in tongues when you were filled with the Holy Ghost, IF you didn't know to EXPECT it...
Do you think you would have broken out in tongues? And IF the answer to this question is "YES it would have automatically come out", then why is there so much "coaxing" at Pentecostal altars to "speak it out, speak it out, say it over and over, see the tie, tie the tie" blah blah blah. Why do altar workers encourage people to "TRY" to talk in tongues??? To me, this isn't even genuine and certainly is unnecessary, if it is an AUTOMATIC response to receiving the Spirit.

**sigh**
Obviously, we're discussing the issues from 2 very different angles.
I ask for someone to demonstrate it with scriptures, and you (I guess because you know you cant do so) decide to demonstrate a biblical position with your own personal, subjective experience(??!!)

Come on brother. Lets get real for a minute.
Do you take someone's profession of some "personal experience" as being on par with the written word of scripture? And if you dont, why should I ?

And to your other point, [regardless of what may go on in some Pentecostal altars] there are many people who have received the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues for the first time, while in their private prayer -- even before they even knew what speaking in tongues was! So I don't see what point you're really proving with that either.

Lets move along here. I really dont feel like arguing this anyway.
If you're going to answer scripture questions with stories from your personal experience, we'll just be wasting each others time.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I don't need to try to talk you out of anything. You can base your theology on your personal experience if you want to. I base mine simply on the word of God.



Thats a straw-man argument, brother and you know it.

I am not "comparing 1-stepper belief to homosexual beliefs" the way you're implying. It really irks me when my words and meaning are twisted like that.

I am simply saying that anyone, including homosexuals, can create a doctrinal position based on a point of view they already have in mind which they refuse to budge from.

For example , take the case of someone whose sweet Baptist grandmother didn't believe in tongues or the Holy Ghost baptism, but she "loved the Lord"... a person can establish a "paradigm" in their mind that "theres no way the God I serve would throw sweet little granny into hell"... Thus from that paradigm they look at all salvation-related scriptures from a point of view to make sure that, in their mind, granny (and people who believe like her) is in heaven with the Lord.

Good answer. I was searching for how to respond, but you took care of it for me.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Rico

Good answer. I was searching for how to respond, but you took care of it for me.

I got your back, bro.

... until you start talking about that Obama guy!! LOL

[Rico]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I got your back, bro.

... until you start talking about that Obama guy!! LOL

Hehehe. I have yet to say that I am backing him for President. In fact, what I have said is that I will most likely sit this election out. However, I do think Mr. Obama will be our next president.

[Brother Price]

All these three stepper condemning souls to Hell based on bad scriptural interpretation and hermeneutics, makes me glad Jesus is on the throne and they are not. Cause, if they were, ain't none of us ever gonna make it, even themselves.

[berkeley]

Pass the... salt. Just one grain... thanks.

[Brother Price]

Well, look at the doctrine. One cannot have sins forgiven unless they are baptized. So, what happens if one sins after baptism in Jesus name? According to the logic behind the doctrine, they MUST be rebaptized. According to three step theology, baptism is the only way sins are forgiven. So, add 2+2=4.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Well, look at the doctrine. One cannot have sins forgiven unless they are baptized. So, what happens if one sins after baptism in Jesus name? According to the logic behind the doctrine, they MUST be rebaptized. According to three step theology, baptism is the only way sins are forgiven. So, add 2+2=4.

Willful ignorance. You know that is not what 3 steppers/element believe.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Willful ignorance. You know that is not what 3 steppers/element believe.

Dat's what I was thinkin!! I would like to find even one post where anyone has advocating getting rebaptized every time someone sins. BP's assertion was a cheap shot.