Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

Because if God can free a former dirty filthy blaspheming cussing atheistic womanizing hard drinking rascist lying cheating backstabbing doubleminded lowdown hateful thieving scoundrel like I was my entire adult life, and do it when I was 40, in an instant, almost 6 years ago because I really wanted that stuff removed, and the desire to not be like that ever again, than I say God can and will free anyone from any sin if they really want it.


ARPH

I'd say that's a pretty good reason.

[MissBrattified]

I don't think it's the idea of a lesbian attending the prom that may have people up in the air. I think it's the idea of lesbians attending the prom, showing public displays of affection, dancing together, and maybe even kissing one another that folks are going to object to.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Some have argued that Jesus took no issue with homosexuals. They claim that this is highlighted by Christ having healed the servant of a centurion in Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:2-10. Those who have studied ancient Roman society claim that centurions were not allowed to marry or have children because they were entirely the property of the Roman state. For these reasons it wasn't uncommon for centurions to visit prostitutes or have male "servants" that they cohabitated with. These male servants often served as armor bearers but also served as their "companions". Also ancient Greek writers use the same Greek word translated as "servant", "pais", to refer to younger male partners in this kind of a relationship that was common among the Greeks and the Romans. Some claim that the centurion's "servant" in Matthew 8 and Luke 7 was one of these servants and this is why the centurion felt too ashamed to allow Jesus to even come under his roof (Matthew 8:8; Luke 7:6). Those who feel that this is the case illustrate how Christ showed compassion and offered to even heal this servant without a stark condemnation of their condition.

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Anti, this is getting downright nasty. Are you saying some have wrongfully argued? Or are YOU arguing this? Are you a practicing homosexual in need of justification?

That Jesus did not expose all the sin in one's life before healing them, and therefore condoned it, is a non sequitur. There is little evidence the centurian pacticed any good or rightous thingb - BUT he did have faith - and that was the point Christ wanted to make.

[Digging4Truth]

I don't necessarily expect rave reviews but below is a copy/paste of my response to this article on another forum.

Is this sin?

Yep.

Do sinners sin?

Yep.

Should we be shocked?

Nope.

WAY too often Christians see things like this and feel some need to protest or do something that would cause these kids to not be able to attend prom together etc.

Our job is to reach the world with the Gospel. Our job isn't to protest every time someone who has not yet received the Gospel lives as if they were someone who had not yet received the Gospel.

This whole concept of wanting to control the sinner reminds me of a recent series of videos I have been watching by Mike Blume.

We are to be a NEW creature. A fish swims and a bird flies. We can don scuba gear and swim and we emulate the fish. We can climb in a plane and fly and emulate the bird but we haven't become a bird or a fish.

As Christians we often imitate the ways of God without truly becoming a new creature inside. We are acting like a new creature and imitating the new creatures actions but we haven't become a new creature.

I guess it is a lifetime of living in this manner that makes us feel better when we protest loud enough to force others to also imitate something they have not become.

I preached a sermon some time back using scriptures in John 3.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

We read that scripture and we understand... they are where they are... they are what they are... that which is born of the flesh is... flesh. Pretty simple.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

What? It isn't our job to condemn the world?

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son... and for what purpose... that the world, through him, might be saved.

Folks need to know Christ. That is for sure.

But until then... if they act like people who don't know Christ why do we feel the need to force them to act like that which is born of the spirit when they are still that which is born of the flesh?

How odd we Christians are at times.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Anti, this is getting downright nasty. Are you saying some have wrongfully argued? Or are YOU arguing this? Are you a practicing homosexual in need of justification?

That Jesus did not expose all the sin in one's life before healing them, and therefore condoned it, is a non sequitur. There is little evidence the centurian pacticed any good or rightous thingb - BUT he did have faith - and that was the point Christ wanted to make.

It also would mean that Jesus only cared to expose sins of a heterosexual nature--re: The Woman at the Well. Apparently fornication was only an issue for Him if it was male/female.

[Hoovie]

I don't expect all to agree, but the "Heather has Two Mommies" teaching by the public school system is one more great reason to homeschool.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

It also would mean that Jesus only cared to expose sins of a heterosexual nature--re: The Woman at the Well. Apparently fornication was only an issue for Him if it was male/female.

Again, we are not unaware of these tactics. The enemy would like nothing better than to minimize sin and sanction the homosexual lifestyle in these last days.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I don't expect all to agree, but the "Heather has Two Mommies" teaching by the public school system is one more great reason to homeschool.

Indeed.

It is not my job nor desire to control the way the world lives their lives... But it IS my job AND my desire to have input into the environment that my kids grow up in.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Some have argued that Jesus took no issue with homosexuals. They claim that this is highlighted by Christ having healed the servant of a centurion in Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:2-10. Those who have studied ancient Roman society claim that centurions were not allowed to marry or have children because they were entirely the property of the Roman state. For these reasons it wasn't uncommon for centurions to visit prostitutes or have male "servants" that they cohabitated with. These male servants often served as armor bearers but also served as their "companions". Also ancient Greek writers use the same Greek word translated as "servant", "pais", to refer to younger male partners in this kind of a relationship that was common among the Greeks and the Romans. Some claim that the centurion's "servant" in Matthew 8 and Luke 7 was one of these servants and this is why the centurion felt too ashamed to allow Jesus to even come under his roof (Matthew 8:8; Luke 7:6). Those who feel that this is the case illustrate how Christ showed compassion and offered to even heal this servant without a stark condemnation of their condition.

What is your source for this information? I found this quote from www.caerleon.net/history/army/page3.html

"A centurion was in charge of a century made up of 80 legionary soldiers.
His equipment was very different so his men could quickly find him in battle.
He carried a vine stick as a badge of rank. He would use this to punish his men!
The horsehair crest on his helmet went from side to side.
He wore medals on his chest, awarded for bravery in battle.
Centurions could marry, and their wives lived in the barracks with them.
They did not march, they rode on horseback."

Originally Posted by Antipas

In another passage Jesus appears to put Sodom in a more favorable light over those Israelites who were committed to their traditions and the Pharisees with their religiosity and strict moralism. (Matthew 10:15; Matthew 11:23-24; Mark 6:11; Luke 10:12)

You are reading a lot into those verses. Jesus simply said that those who reject the Gospel (and its messengers) would be punished severely. Matthew 10:15 Same in Matthew 11 - They were not accepting Christ, even after seeing mighty works. It has nothing to do with those Israelites who were committed to their traditions and the Pharisees with their religiosity and strict moralism.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Some have argued that Jesus took no issue with homosexuals. They claim that this is highlighted by Christ having healed the servant of a centurion in Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:2-10. Those who have studied ancient Roman society claim that centurions were not allowed to marry or have children because they were entirely the property of the Roman state. For these reasons it wasn't uncommon for centurions to visit prostitutes or have male "servants" that they cohabitated with. These male servants often served as armor bearers but also served as their "companions". Also ancient Greek writers use the same Greek word translated as "servant", "pais", to refer to younger male partners in this kind of a relationship that was common among the Greeks and the Romans. Some claim that the centurion's "servant" in Matthew 8 and Luke 7 was one of these servants and this is why the centurion felt too ashamed to allow Jesus to even come under his roof (Matthew 8:8; Luke 7:6). Those who feel that this is the case illustrate how Christ showed compassion and offered to even heal this servant without a stark condemnation of their condition.

In another passage Jesus appears to put Sodom in a more favorable light over those Israelites who were committed to their traditions and the Pharisees with their religiosity and strict moralism. (Matthew 10:15; Matthew 11:23-24; Mark 6:11; Luke 10:12)

I believe we do well to exercise patience, love, and compassion on this issue. Praying that God do whatever must be done to save the sinner. If Christ cannot save a homosexual who struggles with his (or her) sinful condition, there's little hope for any of us who struggle with our own sinful inclinations.

Yes, we should be patient, compassionate and loving. However.......

Some have also argued that child molestation is not wrong. Some have also argued that alcoholism is not wrong. Some have also argued that stealing is not wrong. Some have also argued that because Jesus was not married, that He may have been homosexual. The argument that "some have argued/stated etc. is "pithy" at best and has absolutely no grounds whatsoever......unless one is trying to justify the behavior.

I think that you are straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel here. Homosexuals are sinners just like anyone else with an inordinate attraction to something. The problem is that a reasonable person cannot look at scripture and say that same sex, sex, is permitted/condoned/justified in ANY way.

It is a perversion of the created purpose of God for mankind. Is it the WORST perversion? Well, I don't know if it is the worst. For me, I think the worst is child abuse and probably sexual child abuse whether it be heterosexual or homosexual child abuse.

I love homosexuals just like I love alcoholics and drug addicts etc. However, Jesus calls on them to repent just like the woman caught in adultery. He NEVER condoned sin or the violation of a moral law. Ceremonial law violations, he did allow like healing on the Sabbath, "reaping" grains of wheat , and the saving of an animal that had fallen into a pit.

The problem is that the homosexual agenda is NOT simply desiring for Christians to be tolerant of their struggle and same sex attraction. The homosexual agenda is clamoring for NORMALIZATION of their chosen lifestyle. Hence the "phenomena" of homosexual "churches" full of practicing homosexuals, not delivered homosexuals. God calls on men everywhere to repent, not continue on in the lusts of their flesh.